- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Editors arguing for deletion identified issues with the verifiability and comprehensiveness of sources for damage costs. signed, Rosguill talk 04:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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- List of costliest tornadoes in 2023 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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A niche topic that seems to fail WP:N. A more condensed version of this information can easily be included within Tornadoes of 2023. A previous AfD a few months ago for List of costliest tornadoes in 2022 resulted in an unanimous merge. United States Man ( talk) 02:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep — Perfectly acceptable per the RfC which this nominator wanted months ago. RfC’s conclusion was editors cannot say a tornado was Xth-costliest without a reliable secondary source. For tropical cyclones, $1 billion was an acceptable minimum for List of costliest Atlantic hurricanes, so why would $1 million for a tornado (noting that with the List of costliest tornadoes in 2022, only 41 tornadoes out of over 1,100 made the $1 million cut) is perfectly acceptable. Over 800 tornadoes already in 2023, just in the US, and only 27 made the cut. Not a “niche” topic nor minimum for the list. Nominator already expressed desire to not use NOAA-related damage totals at all in costliest lists (hence the RfC back in March 2023), so this seems to be a target at tornado-related costliest totals as both this list and the 2022 list was nominated at the same time. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 02:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - yes, clearly not a niche topic. If there is doubt about any of the citations, that should be flagged on the citation. If there is doubt about the costing methodology, that should be mentioned in a paragraph. Rick Jelliffe ( talk) 14:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Important comment: This AfD is closely tied to the AfD for List of costliest tornadoes in 2022, which has more discussion related to this AfD’s issue. As 2022’s was nominated prior to 2023, recommend further comments be on the 2022s AfD and then link the outcome of 2022s AfD for this articles outcome. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 04:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:27, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - See reasoning here.
- Chess Eric 23:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - There is no reason to have this article. 2023 was not a year of substantially high damage costs (in regards to independent events.) We should not make variant list articles for every year and every category people can think of. -- Wikiwillz ( talk) 03:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See relisting comment in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of costliest tornadoes in 2022 (2nd nomination) only the arguments in this AFD are not lengthy as in the other AFD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Damage and cost of repair figures seem arbitrary. source pertaining to them seem iffy at best. That aside, this doesn't need to be it's own article. Anything covered in here can be covered in other articles. -- TheInsatiableOne ( talk) 09:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete This article reads as WP:LISTCRUFT and does not reach WP:N. Secondary sources meeting the same or similar cost totals are required to justify this article's existence. Conyo14 ( talk) 16:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete-This can be easily put into the article of Tornado of 2023 Tornadoesarecool13 ( talk) 03:05, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Editors arguing for deletion identified issues with the verifiability and comprehensiveness of sources for damage costs. signed, Rosguill talk 04:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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- List of costliest tornadoes in 2023 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
A niche topic that seems to fail WP:N. A more condensed version of this information can easily be included within Tornadoes of 2023. A previous AfD a few months ago for List of costliest tornadoes in 2022 resulted in an unanimous merge. United States Man ( talk) 02:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep — Perfectly acceptable per the RfC which this nominator wanted months ago. RfC’s conclusion was editors cannot say a tornado was Xth-costliest without a reliable secondary source. For tropical cyclones, $1 billion was an acceptable minimum for List of costliest Atlantic hurricanes, so why would $1 million for a tornado (noting that with the List of costliest tornadoes in 2022, only 41 tornadoes out of over 1,100 made the $1 million cut) is perfectly acceptable. Over 800 tornadoes already in 2023, just in the US, and only 27 made the cut. Not a “niche” topic nor minimum for the list. Nominator already expressed desire to not use NOAA-related damage totals at all in costliest lists (hence the RfC back in March 2023), so this seems to be a target at tornado-related costliest totals as both this list and the 2022 list was nominated at the same time. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 02:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - yes, clearly not a niche topic. If there is doubt about any of the citations, that should be flagged on the citation. If there is doubt about the costing methodology, that should be mentioned in a paragraph. Rick Jelliffe ( talk) 14:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Important comment: This AfD is closely tied to the AfD for List of costliest tornadoes in 2022, which has more discussion related to this AfD’s issue. As 2022’s was nominated prior to 2023, recommend further comments be on the 2022s AfD and then link the outcome of 2022s AfD for this articles outcome. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 04:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:27, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - See reasoning here.
- Chess Eric 23:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - There is no reason to have this article. 2023 was not a year of substantially high damage costs (in regards to independent events.) We should not make variant list articles for every year and every category people can think of. -- Wikiwillz ( talk) 03:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See relisting comment in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of costliest tornadoes in 2022 (2nd nomination) only the arguments in this AFD are not lengthy as in the other AFD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Damage and cost of repair figures seem arbitrary. source pertaining to them seem iffy at best. That aside, this doesn't need to be it's own article. Anything covered in here can be covered in other articles. -- TheInsatiableOne ( talk) 09:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete This article reads as WP:LISTCRUFT and does not reach WP:N. Secondary sources meeting the same or similar cost totals are required to justify this article's existence. Conyo14 ( talk) 16:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete-This can be easily put into the article of Tornado of 2023 Tornadoesarecool13 ( talk) 03:05, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.