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The result was keep. There may be a need for cleanup, but there is consensus that the topic is viable for a standalone list. Vanamonde ( Talk) 09:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC) reply

List of campaign settings

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This is effectively a poorly referenced fork of List of role-playing games, but with an ORish split by genre (fantasy, sci-fi, etc.) instead of alphabetical. I suggest redirecting (given next to no footnotes, there's very little to merge). While one can argue that the concept of fantasy setting and role-playing game is not the same, given the very poor state of campaign setting which I tried to reference now a bit (and where I cannot find any refs for the typology used in the list discussed, i.e. the split into fantasy, sf, etc. settings), I'd argue that we will be better off with one list of RPGs rather than this poorly defined and underreferenced fork. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:58, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy and Games. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:58, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Deleteper nom. Fails WP:GNG or WP:LISTN, the list is WP:OR that fails WP:V, with lack of refs, we could technically redirect this to Role-playing games or List of tabletop role-playing games, but the first is a poor target, the second also has issues per maintenance tags... VickKiang ( talk) 05:42, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  @ VickKiang How about my proposed idea of redirecting this to the List of tabletop role-playing games? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:08, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Good idea, but that article is also debatable on if it meets WP:LISTN or WP:GNG, with cleanup tags that it might be indiscriminate. VickKiang ( talk) 06:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• keep. From LISTN: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability" This is pretty darn useful for navigational purposes. In addition I know that there are sources on the idea of campaign settings. I'll have to look later (at work), but @ BOZ: or @ Webwarlock: can probably find sources. Hobit ( talk) 12:58, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  @ Hobit How is having a dupliate list useful for anything? Having none could be a problem. Having a fork is always bad. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  I'm not sure I'm following your question. Campaign settings are different than role-playing games, yes? I know you know that, but I'm struggling to understand your viewpoint that one is a fork of the other. Some games have many settings and (much less commonly) there are some settings that are supported by multiple different games. And some settings that are rules independent. Sorry, I think I'm missing something, help? Hobit ( talk) 04:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Keep per Hobit, but failing that I would think we can merge perhaps to Campaign setting. BOZ ( talk) 13:01, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  Only the referenced material. There is possible OR there, with stuff being incluced on the list with no justification. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:40, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Delete/merge This isn't a list of campaign settings, it's a list of role-playing games organized by genre, and one column of the table (often incomplete) happens to be the setting location. It could be merged to List of tabletop role-playing games somehow, which also has a setting column, or very, very selectively in prose form to campaign setting, but I don't see any basis to keep the current list under this name. Since few of the settings themselves are independently notable, this does not serve any navigational purpose that the main list of RPGs that can link them in the same way does not or cannot. Reywas92 ^Talk 14:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep as per Hobit KitHutch ( talk) 16:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep In my view Role-playing game and campaign setting are both notable topics in their own right, so this is not a WP:CONTENTFORK. Just look at the prominent examples of Dungeons & Dragons - one game, but many settings - and the Star Wars universe - one setting which was translated into multiple game systems. Sure there will be many cases where one game has one setting, but that duplication does not diminish the value of both lists for navigation: Someone who's interested in rule systems will browse the List of role-playing games, someone interested in game worlds will use our list here. A respective mention at See also will also direct users further as need be. I do think this list has a number of issues, but clean-up is the solution to that, not deletion. All that said, I am not fundamentally opposed to merging those two lists together if done properly. This would, however, be signficantly more work than cleaning up our list here: As Reywas92 has said, there is a setting column at List of role-playing games. But currently it is used to spell out the genre of each game, rather than the name of the setting. So this would need to changed/expanded/added throughout in order to provide the combined information we have in both lists. Daranios ( talk) 17:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep a list of substantially notable entries does not itself need to be referenced. I can see cleanup, but within the tabled list entries, there are clearly navigational uses. Jclemens ( talk) 04:29, 3 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Keep. Perfectly acceptable list. Not the same as List of role-playing games at all. Setting and game are not the same thing. Many games are tied to a particular setting, but many are not. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 10:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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