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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 14:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
List of association football players by nickname
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Not needed; trivial and possibly WP:OR Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Clarification: another, important, point is that these lists (such as List of sportspeople by nickname) will never be extensive. It's not the same as, say, a list of players who have scored 50+ goals in the Premier League. If we were to assume that only 1% of players on Wikipedia have nicknames, we are still dealing with thousands on people. It would be impossible to have a full comprehensive list. Nehme1499 ( talk) 17:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete Per nom, agree very trivial. Govvy ( talk) 14:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete – Trivia, quite likely OR, possibly incomplete and would probably prove dificult to maintain accurately and with verification. Eagleash ( talk) 15:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete – Looks like WP:OR and all around useless article to have around. Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 15:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as above, suitable for a fan forum, not an encyclopaedia. Giant Snowman 15:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment.
I'm inclined to delete,but it's not OR (it's well referenced), WP:NOTUSEFUL isn't a valid rationale, and reliable sources have treated this topic as a group (e.g. The Football Pocket Bible, The Oxford Dictionary of Nicknames) per WP:LISTN. Perhaps it's WP:INDISCRIMINATE. pburka ( talk) 18:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC)- Keep. It's silly to only delete the footballers, and nicknames in sport are a notable topic. Manageability is still a concern.
pburka (
talk)
04:40, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. After this nomination I'll also nominate List of sportspeople by nickname for deletion. Nehme1499 ( talk) 21:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. It's silly to only delete the footballers, and nicknames in sport are a notable topic. Manageability is still a concern.
pburka (
talk)
04:40, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The nomination is not policy-based. It's mostly WP:NOTNEEDED and WP:ITSCRUFT which are arguments to avoid. The reference to WP:OR is a WP:VAGUEWAVE without any specifics or evidence. The page in question, on the other hand, has 248 citations and the sources demonstrate that the topic passes WP:LISTN. And it is easy to find more quality sources which support the topic, such as Onomastics in Contemporary Public Space and The Linguistics of Football which demonstrate that the topic is not just notable in popular works but is also the subject of academic study. So, the page is high quality while the nomination is not. Andrew🐉( talk) 19:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, article mostly consists of a bunch of useless WP:OR. The references cited are just a bunch of generic handwaves, no evidence that this is a topic that passes WP:LISTN. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 08:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Andrew. Additional comment: the nominator and creator (and almost sole contributor, to a page that clearly took a bit of time to put together) appear to be the same person? Maybe I've missed something?
Crowsus (
talk)
08:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good
point. Why would someone create such a well-sourced page and then nominate it for deletion. It doesn't make any sense.
Andrew🐉(
talk)
09:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't create the content per se. I cut the information from
List of sportspeople by nickname as it was making the article too heavy.
Nehme1499 (
talk)
11:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict)Ah OK thanks, that makes much more sense! (but you didn't attribute/explain that in the edit summary, very very naughty, slap on wrist etc). Crowsus ( talk) 13:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't create the content per se. I cut the information from
List of sportspeople by nickname as it was making the article too heavy.
Nehme1499 (
talk)
11:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good
point. Why would someone create such a well-sourced page and then nominate it for deletion. It doesn't make any sense.
Andrew🐉(
talk)
09:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah sorry, I completely forgot that I had created the article ahahah. 13:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- This feels weird. So what we're really discussing is deleting all the footballers, and only the footballers, from List of sportspeople by nickname. pburka ( talk) 13:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict) Delete as pointless trivia. Also, if the article creator nominated this for AfD, then surely it's G7 eligible? Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom's rationale. Does not appear to meet WP:LISTN. And Joseph2302 also appears to be correct, on the surface this could simply have been G7'd. However, since it appears that the content was split from another article, an AfD might be more appropriate. Onel5969 TT me 13:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- (
edit conflict) (Pburka has basically said the same above just before I added this) Comment: what makes this article different from the one it was split from,
List of sportspeople by nickname? Since the issue is the merit of the topic rather than the quality of the content, surely the same decision should apply to both? And in that vein, there may be more interested editors who would contribute to a deletion discussion on that Sportspeople article?
Crowsus (
talk)
13:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I would delete
List of sportspeople by nickname, for the same reasoning. Also, these lists will never be extensive. It's not like, say, a list of players who have scored 30+ goals for X team. There are possibly hundreds of thousands footballers on Wikipedia. If even only 1% of those have some sort of a nickname, we would have a list of thousands players.
Nehme1499 (
talk)
13:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good point, for example it seems to be a bit Italy-centric having just glanced over it, so many more that theoretically could be added. We might have to put in a minimum requirement, "must have been capped at full international level to get a nickname shout". Or "nickname has not been used in a fully professional league".
Crowsus (
talk)
16:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Absolutely. It is solid consensus that only fully-pro international players are allowed nicknames. Nehme1499 ( talk) 17:22, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good point, for example it seems to be a bit Italy-centric having just glanced over it, so many more that theoretically could be added. We might have to put in a minimum requirement, "must have been capped at full international level to get a nickname shout". Or "nickname has not been used in a fully professional league".
Crowsus (
talk)
16:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I would delete
List of sportspeople by nickname, for the same reasoning. Also, these lists will never be extensive. It's not like, say, a list of players who have scored 30+ goals for X team. There are possibly hundreds of thousands footballers on Wikipedia. If even only 1% of those have some sort of a nickname, we would have a list of thousands players.
Nehme1499 (
talk)
13:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP There are references for all of the information provided. The news media does comment on this information, and I'm sure if its not obvious, they explain how they got that nickname. Dream Focus 17:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 11:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - trivia and OR that certainly doesn't belong here Spiderone 20:05, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 14:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
List of association football players by nickname
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Not needed; trivial and possibly WP:OR Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Clarification: another, important, point is that these lists (such as List of sportspeople by nickname) will never be extensive. It's not the same as, say, a list of players who have scored 50+ goals in the Premier League. If we were to assume that only 1% of players on Wikipedia have nicknames, we are still dealing with thousands on people. It would be impossible to have a full comprehensive list. Nehme1499 ( talk) 17:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Nehme1499 ( talk) 14:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. RedPatchBoy ( talk) 15:43, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom, agree very trivial. Govvy ( talk) 14:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete – Trivia, quite likely OR, possibly incomplete and would probably prove dificult to maintain accurately and with verification. Eagleash ( talk) 15:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete – Looks like WP:OR and all around useless article to have around. Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 15:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as above, suitable for a fan forum, not an encyclopaedia. Giant Snowman 15:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment.
I'm inclined to delete,but it's not OR (it's well referenced), WP:NOTUSEFUL isn't a valid rationale, and reliable sources have treated this topic as a group (e.g. The Football Pocket Bible, The Oxford Dictionary of Nicknames) per WP:LISTN. Perhaps it's WP:INDISCRIMINATE. pburka ( talk) 18:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC)- Keep. It's silly to only delete the footballers, and nicknames in sport are a notable topic. Manageability is still a concern.
pburka (
talk)
04:40, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. After this nomination I'll also nominate List of sportspeople by nickname for deletion. Nehme1499 ( talk) 21:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. It's silly to only delete the footballers, and nicknames in sport are a notable topic. Manageability is still a concern.
pburka (
talk)
04:40, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The nomination is not policy-based. It's mostly WP:NOTNEEDED and WP:ITSCRUFT which are arguments to avoid. The reference to WP:OR is a WP:VAGUEWAVE without any specifics or evidence. The page in question, on the other hand, has 248 citations and the sources demonstrate that the topic passes WP:LISTN. And it is easy to find more quality sources which support the topic, such as Onomastics in Contemporary Public Space and The Linguistics of Football which demonstrate that the topic is not just notable in popular works but is also the subject of academic study. So, the page is high quality while the nomination is not. Andrew🐉( talk) 19:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, article mostly consists of a bunch of useless WP:OR. The references cited are just a bunch of generic handwaves, no evidence that this is a topic that passes WP:LISTN. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 08:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Andrew. Additional comment: the nominator and creator (and almost sole contributor, to a page that clearly took a bit of time to put together) appear to be the same person? Maybe I've missed something?
Crowsus (
talk)
08:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good
point. Why would someone create such a well-sourced page and then nominate it for deletion. It doesn't make any sense.
Andrew🐉(
talk)
09:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't create the content per se. I cut the information from
List of sportspeople by nickname as it was making the article too heavy.
Nehme1499 (
talk)
11:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict)Ah OK thanks, that makes much more sense! (but you didn't attribute/explain that in the edit summary, very very naughty, slap on wrist etc). Crowsus ( talk) 13:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't create the content per se. I cut the information from
List of sportspeople by nickname as it was making the article too heavy.
Nehme1499 (
talk)
11:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good
point. Why would someone create such a well-sourced page and then nominate it for deletion. It doesn't make any sense.
Andrew🐉(
talk)
09:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah sorry, I completely forgot that I had created the article ahahah. 13:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- This feels weird. So what we're really discussing is deleting all the footballers, and only the footballers, from List of sportspeople by nickname. pburka ( talk) 13:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict) Delete as pointless trivia. Also, if the article creator nominated this for AfD, then surely it's G7 eligible? Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom's rationale. Does not appear to meet WP:LISTN. And Joseph2302 also appears to be correct, on the surface this could simply have been G7'd. However, since it appears that the content was split from another article, an AfD might be more appropriate. Onel5969 TT me 13:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- (
edit conflict) (Pburka has basically said the same above just before I added this) Comment: what makes this article different from the one it was split from,
List of sportspeople by nickname? Since the issue is the merit of the topic rather than the quality of the content, surely the same decision should apply to both? And in that vein, there may be more interested editors who would contribute to a deletion discussion on that Sportspeople article?
Crowsus (
talk)
13:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I would delete
List of sportspeople by nickname, for the same reasoning. Also, these lists will never be extensive. It's not like, say, a list of players who have scored 30+ goals for X team. There are possibly hundreds of thousands footballers on Wikipedia. If even only 1% of those have some sort of a nickname, we would have a list of thousands players.
Nehme1499 (
talk)
13:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good point, for example it seems to be a bit Italy-centric having just glanced over it, so many more that theoretically could be added. We might have to put in a minimum requirement, "must have been capped at full international level to get a nickname shout". Or "nickname has not been used in a fully professional league".
Crowsus (
talk)
16:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Absolutely. It is solid consensus that only fully-pro international players are allowed nicknames. Nehme1499 ( talk) 17:22, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good point, for example it seems to be a bit Italy-centric having just glanced over it, so many more that theoretically could be added. We might have to put in a minimum requirement, "must have been capped at full international level to get a nickname shout". Or "nickname has not been used in a fully professional league".
Crowsus (
talk)
16:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- I would delete
List of sportspeople by nickname, for the same reasoning. Also, these lists will never be extensive. It's not like, say, a list of players who have scored 30+ goals for X team. There are possibly hundreds of thousands footballers on Wikipedia. If even only 1% of those have some sort of a nickname, we would have a list of thousands players.
Nehme1499 (
talk)
13:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP There are references for all of the information provided. The news media does comment on this information, and I'm sure if its not obvious, they explain how they got that nickname. Dream Focus 17:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 11:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - trivia and OR that certainly doesn't belong here Spiderone 20:05, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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