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The result was keep. There seems to be a general consensus to keep here — a few of the arguments were WP:ITSIMPORTANT, but with sources added and the "wait" argument, I see a consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 18:05, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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A niche-like topic of a product issued by the Storm Prediction Center that seems to fail WP:N. Editor has a history of creating similar lists that have been deleted. United States Man ( talk) 12:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 13:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep — Similar list to the
List of United States tornado emergencies. “Niche” lists are allowed on Wikipedia. An example of another niche topic is
List of United States tornadoes in July 2023, which has only one non-NOAA reference or
Cylindera arenaria, which I found through the random article button, which has only 2 references and 1 sentence. More references were added this morning (
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5]), so it passes notability criteria well more than the other two “niche” articles referenced above. The
Weather Event Writer (
Talk Page)
15:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Extra comment: Here is a news article ( Are Radar-Indicated EF5s Possible in the Future?), which covered the SPC’s issuance of the first one & here is an article from Forbes which also mentioned one of these products. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 16:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Wait Article hasn't been around for enough time to determine its notabilty. Is worth noting that nominee has often rushed to start a deletion process on new articles. Currently leaning towards delete but to early for me to make a conclusive decision. RandomInfinity17 ( talk - contributions) 16:02, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Neutral I don't think articles on MCDs are needed, but I don't feel like giving a yes or no here. Chess Eric 13:27, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Wait — I'm not necessarily against the article but I would like to see more references, or really any reliable references, confirming that the article subject exists in a meaningful and distinct way, separate from SPC mesoscale convective discussions (MCDs). Other NWS documentation—see pages 10 and 11—refers to this kind of product as a "meso-beta scale MCD", but with a slightly different definition. I know Andrew Lyons is an NWS forecaster but I don't know that his two off-the-cuff tweets are a supportive foundation for an article, given that the topic of MCDs as a whole don't even garner their own article.
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Penitentes (
talk)
13:43, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I found this (Subdividing the Mesoscale) from Penn State Universitiy’s meteorology department, which defines what the “meso—gamma” is. I’ll keep looking for any other references. I’ve found a handful of news articles that share the SPC’s meso—gamma/meso—beta mesoscale discussions, but they aren’t calling them “meso—gamma” or “meso—beta”. I’m fairly sure that is the term only meteorologists use for them. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 15:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - SPC MCD's are specialized and technical discussions. These discussions are mainly used by meteorologists and weather enthusiasts to predict and understand weather patterns, and do not usually have a direct and immediate impact on the general public. Wikiwillz ( talk) 17:35, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I did want to point out that these meso—gamma/meso—beta discussions are specifically for, “high impact high confidence violent tornadoes”, which are ongoing at the moment. SPC Forecast Elizabeth Leitman also said, “WFOs also aren’t our only users. TV meteorologists and EMs also use MCDs.” So, one could argue that it does have basically just as an immediate impact on the general public as say a tornado emergency, which we have List of United States tornado emergencies. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 19:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep-This article is very important and useful because of the topic. I am slightly leaning to deletion, but I think the page should be kept. Tornadoesarecool13 ( talk) 22:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep looks like more references have been added, and therefore looks like it passes WP:N guidelines. Looks in better shape since nomination began. Tails Wx 14:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. There seems to be a general consensus to keep here — a few of the arguments were WP:ITSIMPORTANT, but with sources added and the "wait" argument, I see a consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 18:05, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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- List of Storm Prediction Center meso—gamma mesoscale discussions ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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A niche-like topic of a product issued by the Storm Prediction Center that seems to fail WP:N. Editor has a history of creating similar lists that have been deleted. United States Man ( talk) 12:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 13:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep — Similar list to the
List of United States tornado emergencies. “Niche” lists are allowed on Wikipedia. An example of another niche topic is
List of United States tornadoes in July 2023, which has only one non-NOAA reference or
Cylindera arenaria, which I found through the random article button, which has only 2 references and 1 sentence. More references were added this morning (
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5]), so it passes notability criteria well more than the other two “niche” articles referenced above. The
Weather Event Writer (
Talk Page)
15:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Extra comment: Here is a news article ( Are Radar-Indicated EF5s Possible in the Future?), which covered the SPC’s issuance of the first one & here is an article from Forbes which also mentioned one of these products. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 16:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Wait Article hasn't been around for enough time to determine its notabilty. Is worth noting that nominee has often rushed to start a deletion process on new articles. Currently leaning towards delete but to early for me to make a conclusive decision. RandomInfinity17 ( talk - contributions) 16:02, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Neutral I don't think articles on MCDs are needed, but I don't feel like giving a yes or no here. Chess Eric 13:27, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Wait — I'm not necessarily against the article but I would like to see more references, or really any reliable references, confirming that the article subject exists in a meaningful and distinct way, separate from SPC mesoscale convective discussions (MCDs). Other NWS documentation—see pages 10 and 11—refers to this kind of product as a "meso-beta scale MCD", but with a slightly different definition. I know Andrew Lyons is an NWS forecaster but I don't know that his two off-the-cuff tweets are a supportive foundation for an article, given that the topic of MCDs as a whole don't even garner their own article.
-
Penitentes (
talk)
13:43, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I found this (Subdividing the Mesoscale) from Penn State Universitiy’s meteorology department, which defines what the “meso—gamma” is. I’ll keep looking for any other references. I’ve found a handful of news articles that share the SPC’s meso—gamma/meso—beta mesoscale discussions, but they aren’t calling them “meso—gamma” or “meso—beta”. I’m fairly sure that is the term only meteorologists use for them. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 15:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - SPC MCD's are specialized and technical discussions. These discussions are mainly used by meteorologists and weather enthusiasts to predict and understand weather patterns, and do not usually have a direct and immediate impact on the general public. Wikiwillz ( talk) 17:35, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I did want to point out that these meso—gamma/meso—beta discussions are specifically for, “high impact high confidence violent tornadoes”, which are ongoing at the moment. SPC Forecast Elizabeth Leitman also said, “WFOs also aren’t our only users. TV meteorologists and EMs also use MCDs.” So, one could argue that it does have basically just as an immediate impact on the general public as say a tornado emergency, which we have List of United States tornado emergencies. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 19:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep-This article is very important and useful because of the topic. I am slightly leaning to deletion, but I think the page should be kept. Tornadoesarecool13 ( talk) 22:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep looks like more references have been added, and therefore looks like it passes WP:N guidelines. Looks in better shape since nomination began. Tails Wx 14:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.