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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 18:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
List of Olympians and Paralympians from Peel, Ontario
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List of unclear value. I cannot find any indication that we have any standard practice of compiling dedicated lists of Olympic/Paralympic athletes from every individual city or county on earth where athletes might have come from, or any reason why Ontario's Peel Region would warrant special treatment that other individual counties aren't getting. We have numerous ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Lists of Olympic competitors for Canada by discipline and/or medal status, and we have both List of people from Mississauga and List of people from Brampton to cover off people being from Peel, so there's no loss of context as these topics are each already covered on their own in other lists — but there's no particular reason why the intersection of Olympic competitors who have resided in Peel would be of any special encyclopedic significance in and of itself. There are, for example, no sources analyzing the intersection of the Olympics with Peel Region as a topic in its own right — so this can only be a "list of people who happen to be both X and Y", which is not the kind of list that adds value to an encyclopedia. Bearcat ( talk) 18:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete The respective lists of people from each of the three cities are more than adequate, and an intersection of this sort is preposterous. Please no one else get ridiculous ideas that we need hypothetically tens of thousands of separate lists of A, B, C, D... occupations (or worse here, people who did a thing for a few days once) from (or born in, or later moved to) Z, Y, X, W... geographies. Reywas92 Talk 23:11, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep.
- Not all Olympians or Paralympians have articles. If they don't qualify for an article, they aren't allowed on the list pages.
- If Peel was a province, it would be the fifth largest. If someone made a page for Olympians and Paralympians from Manitoba, would it be deleted.
- Bearcat, you ask why Peel should "warrant special treatment that other individual counties aren't getting"; I can't account for the editing practices of people with interest in other communities. They're welcome to contribute similar articles.
- Reywas92, you fear about other articles on the intersection of profession and geography. Such lists already exist, and are not manageable, whereas this is a finite number.
- Reywas92, "or worse here, people who did a thing for a few days once" That's absolutely insulting. Athletes spend decades preparing to do something "for a few days once."
- Ultimately, this article is a finite, manageable, referenceable list. -- Zanimum ( talk) 03:49, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter where Peel would rank if it were a thing it isn't. We judge topics by what they are in this reality, not by what they might be in a different reality than the one we live in.
- No, people aren't welcome to contribute similar articles about other counties or regions, because there's absolutely no reason why Wikipedia would or should need or want thousands or millions of these to exist at the county level for every county or region or département or raion on earth. Wikipedia's job is not to just indiscriminately accept everything that one person thought was a "useful" contribution — even if this list is technically "finite, manageable and referenceable" on its own, the logical endpoint would be creating and maintaining a similar list for every other Peel-equivalent entity on earth, which would not be even remotely sustainable or desirable at all — so the question of why Peel should get special treatment still stands, and you haven't dropped the mic on it. Bearcat ( talk) 11:01, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's not insulting, it's a fact. While your WP:OSE point has suggested another article I could see deleting as well, I would distinguish between a list of people of a particular occupation (as many articles like List of people from Kentucky are organized) and those within occupations who did a particular high-level activity (e.g. not a list of Italian-Americans with Oscar nominations). This is a subset of a subset of a subset of people that is indiscriminate when at the localized level. Reywas92 Talk 20:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - No reason for this intersection. A page for Olympians and Paralympians from Manitoba would presumably also be deleted. (Also, "from" including those who have "trained in or competed in" the region? Yikes.) -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 12:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, Jonel, etc. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:LISTN I do not see what would make this specific 'list of x of y' grouping notable enough to keep this article, it also includes people who trained or competed in the region or were accepted into the local hall of fame, making this list nonspecific and of little value. Most search results for this topic go back to this wikipedia article. Mousymouse ( talk) 06:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:LISTN, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 10:45, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 19:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, though if someone can find a few examples of reliable and significant coverage of this particular subgroup of Olympic athletes I would reconsider BilledMammal ( talk) 03:05, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Also, there already are lists of people from Mississauga, Brampton and Caledon. There is no reason to have an additional similar page, but for only a specific profession. Those three pages could be changed to be sorted into professions instead of by name, if you really want to point out sports people from that area. But this page is entirely unnecessary. I do also want to mention that "people who did a thing for a few days once" is indeed an insulting way to talk about Olympic athletes. Kaffe42 ( talk) 16:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 18:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
List of Olympians and Paralympians from Peel, Ontario
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List of unclear value. I cannot find any indication that we have any standard practice of compiling dedicated lists of Olympic/Paralympic athletes from every individual city or county on earth where athletes might have come from, or any reason why Ontario's Peel Region would warrant special treatment that other individual counties aren't getting. We have numerous ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Lists of Olympic competitors for Canada by discipline and/or medal status, and we have both List of people from Mississauga and List of people from Brampton to cover off people being from Peel, so there's no loss of context as these topics are each already covered on their own in other lists — but there's no particular reason why the intersection of Olympic competitors who have resided in Peel would be of any special encyclopedic significance in and of itself. There are, for example, no sources analyzing the intersection of the Olympics with Peel Region as a topic in its own right — so this can only be a "list of people who happen to be both X and Y", which is not the kind of list that adds value to an encyclopedia. Bearcat ( talk) 18:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 18:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 18:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 18:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The respective lists of people from each of the three cities are more than adequate, and an intersection of this sort is preposterous. Please no one else get ridiculous ideas that we need hypothetically tens of thousands of separate lists of A, B, C, D... occupations (or worse here, people who did a thing for a few days once) from (or born in, or later moved to) Z, Y, X, W... geographies. Reywas92 Talk 23:11, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep.
- Not all Olympians or Paralympians have articles. If they don't qualify for an article, they aren't allowed on the list pages.
- If Peel was a province, it would be the fifth largest. If someone made a page for Olympians and Paralympians from Manitoba, would it be deleted.
- Bearcat, you ask why Peel should "warrant special treatment that other individual counties aren't getting"; I can't account for the editing practices of people with interest in other communities. They're welcome to contribute similar articles.
- Reywas92, you fear about other articles on the intersection of profession and geography. Such lists already exist, and are not manageable, whereas this is a finite number.
- Reywas92, "or worse here, people who did a thing for a few days once" That's absolutely insulting. Athletes spend decades preparing to do something "for a few days once."
- Ultimately, this article is a finite, manageable, referenceable list. -- Zanimum ( talk) 03:49, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter where Peel would rank if it were a thing it isn't. We judge topics by what they are in this reality, not by what they might be in a different reality than the one we live in.
- No, people aren't welcome to contribute similar articles about other counties or regions, because there's absolutely no reason why Wikipedia would or should need or want thousands or millions of these to exist at the county level for every county or region or département or raion on earth. Wikipedia's job is not to just indiscriminately accept everything that one person thought was a "useful" contribution — even if this list is technically "finite, manageable and referenceable" on its own, the logical endpoint would be creating and maintaining a similar list for every other Peel-equivalent entity on earth, which would not be even remotely sustainable or desirable at all — so the question of why Peel should get special treatment still stands, and you haven't dropped the mic on it. Bearcat ( talk) 11:01, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's not insulting, it's a fact. While your WP:OSE point has suggested another article I could see deleting as well, I would distinguish between a list of people of a particular occupation (as many articles like List of people from Kentucky are organized) and those within occupations who did a particular high-level activity (e.g. not a list of Italian-Americans with Oscar nominations). This is a subset of a subset of a subset of people that is indiscriminate when at the localized level. Reywas92 Talk 20:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - No reason for this intersection. A page for Olympians and Paralympians from Manitoba would presumably also be deleted. (Also, "from" including those who have "trained in or competed in" the region? Yikes.) -- Jonel ( Speak to me) 12:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, Jonel, etc. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:LISTN I do not see what would make this specific 'list of x of y' grouping notable enough to keep this article, it also includes people who trained or competed in the region or were accepted into the local hall of fame, making this list nonspecific and of little value. Most search results for this topic go back to this wikipedia article. Mousymouse ( talk) 06:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:LISTN, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 10:45, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 19:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, though if someone can find a few examples of reliable and significant coverage of this particular subgroup of Olympic athletes I would reconsider BilledMammal ( talk) 03:05, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Also, there already are lists of people from Mississauga, Brampton and Caledon. There is no reason to have an additional similar page, but for only a specific profession. Those three pages could be changed to be sorted into professions instead of by name, if you really want to point out sports people from that area. But this page is entirely unnecessary. I do also want to mention that "people who did a thing for a few days once" is indeed an insulting way to talk about Olympic athletes. Kaffe42 ( talk) 16:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.