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Fails
WP:NLIST and
WP:GNG; the topic of "Harvard Crimson football players in the NFL draft" does not appear to be notable, and thus we should not have a list related to that topic.
BilledMammal (
talk) 22:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep. Passes
WP:NLIST as coverage exists of former Harvard players drafted in the NFL as a group such as
here,
here, and
here (though the latter just covers Harvard alums who played in the NFL, not draftees specifically), along with the Drafthistory reference already in the page. FrankAnchor 17:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Of those sources, only the "bleacherreport" appears to contribute to GNG. The others clearly don't; both
"247sports" and
"as" are lists that lack
WP:SIGCOV of the topic. The draft report currently in the article is the same.
BilledMammal (
talk) 21:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)reply
NLIST does not require the sources contribute to GNG. It explains that One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. The above sources are independent and reliable and discuss the players as a group While some some may or may not be significant, that is not relevant to NLIST. FrankAnchor 12:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Note from the creator. Keep.
BilledMammal, I think you are confusing
WP:NLIST and
WP:GNG and you have yet to make a case as to why this article, or other similar list articles, are not notable.
WP:GNG is a handbook for general notability, while
WP:NLIST is more specific to lists and I have seen has a somewhat lower standard. Why is this Harvard list of draftees not notable, but others are? Also, all of the linked sources mentioned above by
User:Frank Anchor do relate to the article and abide by
WP:NLIST and
WP:GNG. Please state a case as to why it should be removed beyond your opinion that it is not notable.
Debartolo2917 (
talk) 05:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)reply
The others aren't relevant to this discussion;
WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST. The sources provided by Frank Anchor relate to the article, but of the four (including the one currently in the article) three are only lists of players from the Harvard Crimsons who joined the NFL. Such lists aren't
WP:SIGCOV and don't contribute to notability; unless you can find another source like the bleacherreport one we cannot keep this article.
BilledMammal (
talk) 05:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep. Frank Anchor's sources look sufficient.
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 16:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Fails
WP:NLIST and
WP:GNG; the topic of "Harvard Crimson football players in the NFL draft" does not appear to be notable, and thus we should not have a list related to that topic.
BilledMammal (
talk) 22:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep. Passes
WP:NLIST as coverage exists of former Harvard players drafted in the NFL as a group such as
here,
here, and
here (though the latter just covers Harvard alums who played in the NFL, not draftees specifically), along with the Drafthistory reference already in the page. FrankAnchor 17:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Of those sources, only the "bleacherreport" appears to contribute to GNG. The others clearly don't; both
"247sports" and
"as" are lists that lack
WP:SIGCOV of the topic. The draft report currently in the article is the same.
BilledMammal (
talk) 21:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)reply
NLIST does not require the sources contribute to GNG. It explains that One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. The above sources are independent and reliable and discuss the players as a group While some some may or may not be significant, that is not relevant to NLIST. FrankAnchor 12:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Note from the creator. Keep.
BilledMammal, I think you are confusing
WP:NLIST and
WP:GNG and you have yet to make a case as to why this article, or other similar list articles, are not notable.
WP:GNG is a handbook for general notability, while
WP:NLIST is more specific to lists and I have seen has a somewhat lower standard. Why is this Harvard list of draftees not notable, but others are? Also, all of the linked sources mentioned above by
User:Frank Anchor do relate to the article and abide by
WP:NLIST and
WP:GNG. Please state a case as to why it should be removed beyond your opinion that it is not notable.
Debartolo2917 (
talk) 05:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)reply
The others aren't relevant to this discussion;
WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST. The sources provided by Frank Anchor relate to the article, but of the four (including the one currently in the article) three are only lists of players from the Harvard Crimsons who joined the NFL. Such lists aren't
WP:SIGCOV and don't contribute to notability; unless you can find another source like the bleacherreport one we cannot keep this article.
BilledMammal (
talk) 05:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep. Frank Anchor's sources look sufficient.
BeanieFan11 (
talk) 16:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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