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List of Academy Award shortlists
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Per this discussion at the Film Project, this seems to fail WP:NOT#NEWS, and therefore is not notable. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOT#NEWS, specifically, "While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion... routine news reporting of announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia." Shortlists precede nominations, so they make up a kind of pre-qualifying round. From what I can tell, shortlists are reported in news articles with no real commentary since the real contest is among those who become the nominees. There could be instances where a widely-expected film does not get nominated, but these can be reported on individual articles. It does not warrant comprehensive lists like this. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 13:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep, though I'm sure I'm biased as the creator of the page. Shortlists and eligibility lists are a key component of Academy Awards history, as evidenced by the dozens of pages of
lists of submissions for Best International Feature Film. Shortlists are officially announced by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and are historically valuable. There is another similar page,
submissions for the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, and far less complete pages such as
submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award and
submissions for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.
Rburton66 (
talk)
18:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Also want to further contextualize that the shortlists for Best Cinematography, Best Art Direction, Best Costume Design, Best Film Editing, Best Sound, Best Original Score and Best Original Song spanned from 1948 to 1979 and were the next to be added when this was flagged for deletion. I have added the 1972 cinematography shortlist to show how much historical interest there may be where Gordon Willis' work on the The Godfather and Vilmos Zsigmond's work on Deliverance were shortlisted, but ultimately not nominated that year. The Beatles song " Let It Be" was shortlisted for Best Original Song in 1970, but ultimately not nominated. Rburton66 ( talk) 18:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- The International Feature Film Oscar is a unique category, with one film being submitted per country. Based on your keep rationale, then you should also be including
all 344 films in contention for the Best Picture from the last ceremony, for example.
Lugnuts
Fire Walk with Me
19:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Definitely not. I would advocate for the removal of the pages for submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award and submissions for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, in fact, as those are unwieldy and incomplete. The list of Academy Award shortlists, on the other hand, is finite to films under final consideration. Modern shortlists fuel a substantial amount of coverage throughout the awards season (e.g. [ countless prediction articles such as this one]). Historical shortlists give a clearer picture of that year in film. Rburton66 ( talk) 19:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- The International Feature Film Oscar is a unique category, with one film being submitted per country. Based on your keep rationale, then you should also be including
all 344 films in contention for the Best Picture from the last ceremony, for example.
Lugnuts
Fire Walk with Me
19:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, it doesn't warrant its own article. The only one of those that I've seen mentioned every time is for the Academy Award for Best International Feature Film, so a list of those might be notable. El Millo ( talk) 18:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Shortlists should be included at the respective award's article if desired there; there is nothing that suggests groupings of shortlists of different awards. Reywas92 Talk 19:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, the Academy now compiles and publicly releases shortlists in 9 of the 23 current categories and makes a point of announcing them simultaneously. This means that the shortlist for Best International Feature, which is cited in the comment above, is given no more notable importance than the shortlists for, say, Best Original Song or Best Live Action Short. There is sufficient coverage and commentary each year about which of the shortlisted documentaries, shorts or films in the running for makeup, VFX or music will be the final nominees. This lends modern relevance to the maintenance of these historical lists, should the Academy wish to continue to reinstate and release shortlists for other categories. HansTAR ( talk) 19:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Definitely WP:NOT. No reason to consider WP:OTHERSTUFF. International films have a different process in which each country must produce a finalist, which makes that shortlist a different bird. It is unclear when to stop expanding notability if we allow this. This takes us from winners and noms to those shortlisted. I guess you could expand it to those expected to be shortlisted. Maybe even to listing eligible films. Where would it stop? Maybe Lugnuts could expand this nom or create another one for List of submissions for the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, and far less complete pages such as submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award and submissions for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. If they aren't competing, they aren't worth noting. (Next step: shortlisting articles to nominate for deletion.) Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: Is there opposition to merging this information with the existing pages for these awards categories? The visual effects bake-off, for instance, generates a substantial amount of commentary and coverage. (See: [ [1]], [ Hollywood Reporter], [ [2]], [ [3]], [ [4]].) There's also already shortlist information in existing articles where that conext is necessary to understand its history; the Academy Award for Best Original Score page includes a note about The Godfather when its Oscar nomination was rescinded and reballoted for, using the other shortlisted films as its potential replacement. Rburton66 ( talk) 05:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Consensus against a separate article. Potential content merge to individual articles, ping me if you need the content. Tone 20:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
List of Academy Award shortlists
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Per this discussion at the Film Project, this seems to fail WP:NOT#NEWS, and therefore is not notable. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOT#NEWS, specifically, "While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion... routine news reporting of announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia." Shortlists precede nominations, so they make up a kind of pre-qualifying round. From what I can tell, shortlists are reported in news articles with no real commentary since the real contest is among those who become the nominees. There could be instances where a widely-expected film does not get nominated, but these can be reported on individual articles. It does not warrant comprehensive lists like this. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 13:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, though I'm sure I'm biased as the creator of the page. Shortlists and eligibility lists are a key component of Academy Awards history, as evidenced by the dozens of pages of
lists of submissions for Best International Feature Film. Shortlists are officially announced by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and are historically valuable. There is another similar page,
submissions for the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, and far less complete pages such as
submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award and
submissions for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.
Rburton66 (
talk)
18:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Also want to further contextualize that the shortlists for Best Cinematography, Best Art Direction, Best Costume Design, Best Film Editing, Best Sound, Best Original Score and Best Original Song spanned from 1948 to 1979 and were the next to be added when this was flagged for deletion. I have added the 1972 cinematography shortlist to show how much historical interest there may be where Gordon Willis' work on the The Godfather and Vilmos Zsigmond's work on Deliverance were shortlisted, but ultimately not nominated that year. The Beatles song " Let It Be" was shortlisted for Best Original Song in 1970, but ultimately not nominated. Rburton66 ( talk) 18:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- The International Feature Film Oscar is a unique category, with one film being submitted per country. Based on your keep rationale, then you should also be including
all 344 films in contention for the Best Picture from the last ceremony, for example.
Lugnuts
Fire Walk with Me
19:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Definitely not. I would advocate for the removal of the pages for submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award and submissions for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, in fact, as those are unwieldy and incomplete. The list of Academy Award shortlists, on the other hand, is finite to films under final consideration. Modern shortlists fuel a substantial amount of coverage throughout the awards season (e.g. [ countless prediction articles such as this one]). Historical shortlists give a clearer picture of that year in film. Rburton66 ( talk) 19:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- The International Feature Film Oscar is a unique category, with one film being submitted per country. Based on your keep rationale, then you should also be including
all 344 films in contention for the Best Picture from the last ceremony, for example.
Lugnuts
Fire Walk with Me
19:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, it doesn't warrant its own article. The only one of those that I've seen mentioned every time is for the Academy Award for Best International Feature Film, so a list of those might be notable. El Millo ( talk) 18:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Shortlists should be included at the respective award's article if desired there; there is nothing that suggests groupings of shortlists of different awards. Reywas92 Talk 19:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, the Academy now compiles and publicly releases shortlists in 9 of the 23 current categories and makes a point of announcing them simultaneously. This means that the shortlist for Best International Feature, which is cited in the comment above, is given no more notable importance than the shortlists for, say, Best Original Song or Best Live Action Short. There is sufficient coverage and commentary each year about which of the shortlisted documentaries, shorts or films in the running for makeup, VFX or music will be the final nominees. This lends modern relevance to the maintenance of these historical lists, should the Academy wish to continue to reinstate and release shortlists for other categories. HansTAR ( talk) 19:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Definitely WP:NOT. No reason to consider WP:OTHERSTUFF. International films have a different process in which each country must produce a finalist, which makes that shortlist a different bird. It is unclear when to stop expanding notability if we allow this. This takes us from winners and noms to those shortlisted. I guess you could expand it to those expected to be shortlisted. Maybe even to listing eligible films. Where would it stop? Maybe Lugnuts could expand this nom or create another one for List of submissions for the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature, and far less complete pages such as submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award and submissions for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. If they aren't competing, they aren't worth noting. (Next step: shortlisting articles to nominate for deletion.) Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: Is there opposition to merging this information with the existing pages for these awards categories? The visual effects bake-off, for instance, generates a substantial amount of commentary and coverage. (See: [ [1]], [ Hollywood Reporter], [ [2]], [ [3]], [ [4]].) There's also already shortlist information in existing articles where that conext is necessary to understand its history; the Academy Award for Best Original Score page includes a note about The Godfather when its Oscar nomination was rescinded and reballoted for, using the other shortlisted films as its potential replacement. Rburton66 ( talk) 05:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.