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The result was keep. Drmies ( talk) 05:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Lin Liangming
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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG NextGenSam619 t@lk 06:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 12:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 09:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - there's a phenomenal amount of coverage of him in the Chinese media, including in-depth features and interviews meeting WP:GNG. Examples are 1, 2, and 3. Nfitz ( talk) 19:33, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Could you please provide some explanation as to what these say? At the moment you have provided a number of foreign language sources in a script that makes it impossible to infer meaning. You can't just dump a load of sources like this and run, you need to explain how these contribute to GNG. These could simply be routine transfer talk or worse, might not even be about the player.
Fenix down (
talk)
22:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you are looking for here. How does the script make it impossible to infer meaning - simply right-click and press translate; or toss the URL in https://translate.google.ca/ - it's quite clear that these are in-depth features and interviews. Nothing in the scripting on the web page stops the translate from working. Nfitz ( talk) 06:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- Could you please provide some explanation as to what these say? At the moment you have provided a number of foreign language sources in a script that makes it impossible to infer meaning. You can't just dump a load of sources like this and run, you need to explain how these contribute to GNG. These could simply be routine transfer talk or worse, might not even be about the player.
Fenix down (
talk)
22:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets WP:GNG being the first ever Chinese player to sign for, arguably, one of the world's largest and most successful football clubs. Consequently, there is ample coverage on the player from some very large English media outlets that are expressing the sheer significance of his transfer. [1] [2] [3]. This is one Asian source discussing the player [4], but if he is getting significant coverage in Europe, I can only imagine what they are saying about him in China. -- Ashkaan232 ( talk) 00:19, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Those are just routine transfer reports, there's essentially nothing in any of those sources that would enable anyone to write an encyclopedic article which would contain anything other than "he signed for Real Madrid". The chinese source you provided is just a brief match report of a youth team game. Transfer talk and match reporting are, by long standing consensus, not considered appropriate for GNG. You may well imagine that there is lots written about him in China, but you need to be able to provide those sources and explain to a non-chinese-speaking audience what they say and how they contribute to GNG.
Fenix down (
talk)
11:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- User:Fenix down Those may be routine, but the 3 references above, that I added to the article, aren't. See 1, 2, and 3. 1 and 3 are in-depth features, and 2 is an extensive interview, all appearing on major Chinese media outlets, thus making it clear that this player meets WP:GNG. Nfitz ( talk) 22:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- Those are just routine transfer reports, there's essentially nothing in any of those sources that would enable anyone to write an encyclopedic article which would contain anything other than "he signed for Real Madrid". The chinese source you provided is just a brief match report of a youth team game. Transfer talk and match reporting are, by long standing consensus, not considered appropriate for GNG. You may well imagine that there is lots written about him in China, but you need to be able to provide those sources and explain to a non-chinese-speaking audience what they say and how they contribute to GNG.
Fenix down (
talk)
11:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - Evidence of non-routine coverage meeting GNG. Carlos Kickabaw ( talk) 22:38, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 06:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 06:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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Delete - Does not presently play in a fully-professional league and has not played senior international football, thus failing WP:NFOOTY. All references provided in the article and all references found with a Google search are routine transfer reports and other items which do not rise to the level of WP:GNG.— Jkudlick t c s 15:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- User:Jkudlick I've added three more references to the article. 1, 2, and 3. 1 and 3 are in-depth features, and 2 is an extensive interview, all appearing on major Chinese media outlets, thus making it clear that this player meets WP:GNG. Nfitz ( talk) 22:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and the sources provided are not sufficient to establish general notability. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 03:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Please see the three new sources, all meeting WP:GNG that I've now added to the article. Nfitz ( talk) 22:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Delete - Nothing more than routine, trivial coverage so fails WP:GNG Spiderone 21:51, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
- Please see the three new sources, all meeting
WP:GNG that I've now added to the article.
Nfitz (
talk)
22:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- I now wish for my vote to change to keep because of new evidence. Spiderone 18:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
- Please see the three new sources, all meeting
WP:GNG that I've now added to the article.
Nfitz (
talk)
22:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The sources provided by
Nfitz (
talk ·
contribs) clearly demonstrate that Lin Liangming passes
Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in
reliable sources that are
independent of the subject".
Wikipedia:Notability (sports) ( WP:NFOOTBALL) says: "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below." Since the subject passes the general notability guideline, he is notable under Wikipedia:Notability (sports), which says that either meeting GNG or the sport specific criteria makes a subject notable.
- Keep Per good work by Nfitz passes WP:GNG through it fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 15:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The first and third of the sources Nfitz provides reach WP:BASIC, -- joe decker talk 15:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. No longer fails WP:GNG. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Drmies ( talk) 05:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Lin Liangming
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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG NextGenSam619 t@lk 06:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 12:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 09:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - there's a phenomenal amount of coverage of him in the Chinese media, including in-depth features and interviews meeting WP:GNG. Examples are 1, 2, and 3. Nfitz ( talk) 19:33, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Could you please provide some explanation as to what these say? At the moment you have provided a number of foreign language sources in a script that makes it impossible to infer meaning. You can't just dump a load of sources like this and run, you need to explain how these contribute to GNG. These could simply be routine transfer talk or worse, might not even be about the player.
Fenix down (
talk)
22:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you are looking for here. How does the script make it impossible to infer meaning - simply right-click and press translate; or toss the URL in https://translate.google.ca/ - it's quite clear that these are in-depth features and interviews. Nothing in the scripting on the web page stops the translate from working. Nfitz ( talk) 06:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- Could you please provide some explanation as to what these say? At the moment you have provided a number of foreign language sources in a script that makes it impossible to infer meaning. You can't just dump a load of sources like this and run, you need to explain how these contribute to GNG. These could simply be routine transfer talk or worse, might not even be about the player.
Fenix down (
talk)
22:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - Meets WP:GNG being the first ever Chinese player to sign for, arguably, one of the world's largest and most successful football clubs. Consequently, there is ample coverage on the player from some very large English media outlets that are expressing the sheer significance of his transfer. [1] [2] [3]. This is one Asian source discussing the player [4], but if he is getting significant coverage in Europe, I can only imagine what they are saying about him in China. -- Ashkaan232 ( talk) 00:19, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Those are just routine transfer reports, there's essentially nothing in any of those sources that would enable anyone to write an encyclopedic article which would contain anything other than "he signed for Real Madrid". The chinese source you provided is just a brief match report of a youth team game. Transfer talk and match reporting are, by long standing consensus, not considered appropriate for GNG. You may well imagine that there is lots written about him in China, but you need to be able to provide those sources and explain to a non-chinese-speaking audience what they say and how they contribute to GNG.
Fenix down (
talk)
11:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- User:Fenix down Those may be routine, but the 3 references above, that I added to the article, aren't. See 1, 2, and 3. 1 and 3 are in-depth features, and 2 is an extensive interview, all appearing on major Chinese media outlets, thus making it clear that this player meets WP:GNG. Nfitz ( talk) 22:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- Those are just routine transfer reports, there's essentially nothing in any of those sources that would enable anyone to write an encyclopedic article which would contain anything other than "he signed for Real Madrid". The chinese source you provided is just a brief match report of a youth team game. Transfer talk and match reporting are, by long standing consensus, not considered appropriate for GNG. You may well imagine that there is lots written about him in China, but you need to be able to provide those sources and explain to a non-chinese-speaking audience what they say and how they contribute to GNG.
Fenix down (
talk)
11:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - Evidence of non-routine coverage meeting GNG. Carlos Kickabaw ( talk) 22:38, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 06:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 06:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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Delete - Does not presently play in a fully-professional league and has not played senior international football, thus failing WP:NFOOTY. All references provided in the article and all references found with a Google search are routine transfer reports and other items which do not rise to the level of WP:GNG.— Jkudlick t c s 15:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- User:Jkudlick I've added three more references to the article. 1, 2, and 3. 1 and 3 are in-depth features, and 2 is an extensive interview, all appearing on major Chinese media outlets, thus making it clear that this player meets WP:GNG. Nfitz ( talk) 22:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and the sources provided are not sufficient to establish general notability. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 03:14, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Please see the three new sources, all meeting WP:GNG that I've now added to the article. Nfitz ( talk) 22:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Delete - Nothing more than routine, trivial coverage so fails WP:GNG Spiderone 21:51, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
- Please see the three new sources, all meeting
WP:GNG that I've now added to the article.
Nfitz (
talk)
22:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- I now wish for my vote to change to keep because of new evidence. Spiderone 18:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
- Please see the three new sources, all meeting
WP:GNG that I've now added to the article.
Nfitz (
talk)
22:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The sources provided by
Nfitz (
talk ·
contribs) clearly demonstrate that Lin Liangming passes
Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in
reliable sources that are
independent of the subject".
Wikipedia:Notability (sports) ( WP:NFOOTBALL) says: "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below." Since the subject passes the general notability guideline, he is notable under Wikipedia:Notability (sports), which says that either meeting GNG or the sport specific criteria makes a subject notable.
- Keep Per good work by Nfitz passes WP:GNG through it fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 15:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The first and third of the sources Nfitz provides reach WP:BASIC, -- joe decker talk 15:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. No longer fails WP:GNG. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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