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*Comment -I oppose because Lil Keed's brother Lil Gotit has his own page, and Keed has just as many views as Gotit. Thus Keed also collaborated with well known Musical artists and is gaining views, so I oppose deletion. This is
User:Proudpakistani1173.74.141.157 (
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18:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)reply
*Comment - Notability is
WP:NOTINHERITED - his brother has a page does not automatically gives the right for Keed to have his page in Wikipedia. Collaborating with well-know artists does not statisfy the notability requirements either.
CASSIOPEIA(
talk)11:46, 8 April 2019 (UTC)reply
*Comment - None of the sources provided are either independent or reliable
(1)
Complex - is not a reliable site, no series reputation editorial site for fact-checking and accuracy like Rolling Stones. The sites in various affiliate marketing programs, getting paid commission on purchases made through the site links.
(2 & 3 & 5)
TheFader,
XXL and
Elevator Magazine - are an interview articles which make the source not indepedent as the info obtained is from the subject himself.
(4)
HotNewHipHop is a musician subscription site and a "promotional powerhouse" - not such the source is not reliable.
(6)
Pitchfork - the editor of the article is a contributor who is a university student who would like to pursue a journalism career in future - she is not a legit journalist and the source/article is not reliable.
Comment - Something is wrong with that analysis of sources by CASSIOPEIA. First, it is full of typos in a fashion uncharacteristic for that editor. More importantly: Complex, Fader, Pitchfork, and XXL are all listed as reliable sources at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, so they can be assumed to know what they're doing with artist articles as well. And saying that a young beginning journalist is not "legit" smacks of elitism, especially when that person works at a reliable publication with proper editing and management. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs)16:53, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
*Comment - to be merit a page in Wikipedia, significant coverage (multiple sources) with independent, reliable sources to support the content claimed is needed. Note, it the sources is reliable, it also has to be independent.— Preceding
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CASSIOPEIA (
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Weak Keep - See my comment above on reliable sources, in which this rapper has a few introductory articles. Those media mentions are indeed brief and some are reliant on interviews in which the rapper merely talks about himself, but the coverage shows some minor notice in the hip hop community, perhaps enough for a stub here. If the article is kept, promotional language needs to be removed, and I would not argue with anyone voting to delete under the
WP:TOOSOON standard. But previous delete arguments based on suitability of sources are not convincing. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs)17:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment - Notability is the guidelines. For a artist to have minor media coverage and the sources are either not reliable or not independent - that fails the notability guidelines. It is
WP:TOOSOON.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
CASSIOPEIA (
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Keep has coverage in multiple reliable sources as per Doomsdayer so passes criteria #1 of
WP:NMUSIC and has also released on a notable record label so should be included
Atlantic306 (
talk)
22:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
*Comment -I oppose because Lil Keed's brother Lil Gotit has his own page, and Keed has just as many views as Gotit. Thus Keed also collaborated with well known Musical artists and is gaining views, so I oppose deletion. This is
User:Proudpakistani1173.74.141.157 (
talk)
18:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)reply
*Comment - Notability is
WP:NOTINHERITED - his brother has a page does not automatically gives the right for Keed to have his page in Wikipedia. Collaborating with well-know artists does not statisfy the notability requirements either.
CASSIOPEIA(
talk)11:46, 8 April 2019 (UTC)reply
*Comment - None of the sources provided are either independent or reliable
(1)
Complex - is not a reliable site, no series reputation editorial site for fact-checking and accuracy like Rolling Stones. The sites in various affiliate marketing programs, getting paid commission on purchases made through the site links.
(2 & 3 & 5)
TheFader,
XXL and
Elevator Magazine - are an interview articles which make the source not indepedent as the info obtained is from the subject himself.
(4)
HotNewHipHop is a musician subscription site and a "promotional powerhouse" - not such the source is not reliable.
(6)
Pitchfork - the editor of the article is a contributor who is a university student who would like to pursue a journalism career in future - she is not a legit journalist and the source/article is not reliable.
Comment - Something is wrong with that analysis of sources by CASSIOPEIA. First, it is full of typos in a fashion uncharacteristic for that editor. More importantly: Complex, Fader, Pitchfork, and XXL are all listed as reliable sources at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, so they can be assumed to know what they're doing with artist articles as well. And saying that a young beginning journalist is not "legit" smacks of elitism, especially when that person works at a reliable publication with proper editing and management. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs)16:53, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
*Comment - to be merit a page in Wikipedia, significant coverage (multiple sources) with independent, reliable sources to support the content claimed is needed. Note, it the sources is reliable, it also has to be independent.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
CASSIOPEIA (
talk •
contribs)
Weak Keep - See my comment above on reliable sources, in which this rapper has a few introductory articles. Those media mentions are indeed brief and some are reliant on interviews in which the rapper merely talks about himself, but the coverage shows some minor notice in the hip hop community, perhaps enough for a stub here. If the article is kept, promotional language needs to be removed, and I would not argue with anyone voting to delete under the
WP:TOOSOON standard. But previous delete arguments based on suitability of sources are not convincing. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
Talk|
Contribs)17:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment - Notability is the guidelines. For a artist to have minor media coverage and the sources are either not reliable or not independent - that fails the notability guidelines. It is
WP:TOOSOON.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
CASSIOPEIA (
talk •
contribs)
Keep has coverage in multiple reliable sources as per Doomsdayer so passes criteria #1 of
WP:NMUSIC and has also released on a notable record label so should be included
Atlantic306 (
talk)
22:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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