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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR. (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 18:27, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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Only claim to notability seems to be being interviewed about his notable friend. This has been tagged for notability for 8 years, hopefully we can get it resolved one way or the other. Boleyn ( talk) 09:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Weak keep: The article as it stands is definitely weaker than it could be, but does provide a second fairly clear claim to notability - as a leading member (in fact, chairman) of the Russian Association of Proletarian Musicians (RAPM) for several years around 1930, and thus a person whose unfavourable opinion at that time could severely threaten or destroy the careers of Soviet musicians of the time (including, of course, Shostakovich). I might also mention (though I don't think that it has that much effect on his notability) that Lebedinsky seems, as well as giving interviews, to have written several articles about Shostakovich and his music. Turning to the GBooks hits - many are indeed just quoting Lebedinsky about Shostakovich. However, a significant number of other sources do also raise questions about Lebedinsky's veracity and the genuineness of his friendship with Shostakovich ( this one, probably, in greatest detail). And quite a few, about a variety of composers, instead deal with his earlier RAPM activities - some, again, fairly briefly but others (such as this biography of Nikolai Myaskovsky) at greater length. (And please note that both the sources I have given refer to Lebedinsky in several different places - so searching within them is a good idea.) Perhaps a relatively minor character, but one with two separate claims to notability which, however, are perceived to interact rather oddly. PWilkinson ( talk) 14:47, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Comment: His entry in the Russian wiki has more details and sources. ~~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~~ 14:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR. (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk 18:27, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- Lev Lebedinsky ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Only claim to notability seems to be being interviewed about his notable friend. This has been tagged for notability for 8 years, hopefully we can get it resolved one way or the other. Boleyn ( talk) 09:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Musa Talk ☻ 12:00, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Musa Talk ☻ 12:00, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Musa Talk ☻ 12:00, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
- Weak keep: The article as it stands is definitely weaker than it could be, but does provide a second fairly clear claim to notability - as a leading member (in fact, chairman) of the Russian Association of Proletarian Musicians (RAPM) for several years around 1930, and thus a person whose unfavourable opinion at that time could severely threaten or destroy the careers of Soviet musicians of the time (including, of course, Shostakovich). I might also mention (though I don't think that it has that much effect on his notability) that Lebedinsky seems, as well as giving interviews, to have written several articles about Shostakovich and his music. Turning to the GBooks hits - many are indeed just quoting Lebedinsky about Shostakovich. However, a significant number of other sources do also raise questions about Lebedinsky's veracity and the genuineness of his friendship with Shostakovich ( this one, probably, in greatest detail). And quite a few, about a variety of composers, instead deal with his earlier RAPM activities - some, again, fairly briefly but others (such as this biography of Nikolai Myaskovsky) at greater length. (And please note that both the sources I have given refer to Lebedinsky in several different places - so searching within them is a good idea.) Perhaps a relatively minor character, but one with two separate claims to notability which, however, are perceived to interact rather oddly. PWilkinson ( talk) 14:47, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 20:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 20:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: His entry in the Russian wiki has more details and sources. ~~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~~ 14:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:09, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:09, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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