The result was move to draft. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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I'm having to fight to have this article tell the truth, which is that Lena Park was a scam and that there never was such a settlement in reality. There's even a cite for that, but some unwary USGS employee looked at a dot on a Indiana DOT map and decided it was a real place, and so now it's back to being an "unincorporated community" because WP:GNIS. It's not real, and it never has been, and in this case I'm dubious that the Indiana DOT via GNIS is a reliable source for the place where the scam was supposed to have been. The topo what shows this name is so bad that it shows a small grid of streets a bit to the south (which I presume was supposed to be the location of the town) which are utterly fictitious. Given a single reference I'm dubious that it's a notable scam, which is why we are here, but at any rate my next move is going to be removing all the appurtenances of this being a place of any kind from the article if we decide it should be kept. Mangoe ( talk) 13:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Wilkinson Jr 2006, p. 341 repeats this and adds little more except that there never was a cut glass factory, it never going into operation because (it was claimed) the sand was not suitable for glass-making, something that Allen clearly missed.Lena Park's train depot and glass factory were right across the road from the farm. One hundred years ago, Lena Park was promoted as "The New Manufacturing City, only surpassed by the world's most rapid growth town, Gary, Indiana".
If there's sourcing to be had, it isn't the history books. This one is down to the newspapers and whatever is in there, such as MEP 1912 which says that the glass factory appears to have been a "dummy" corporation, the building and plant machinery implied to be purely for show, and not going into operation because it was never intended to in the first place, and that whoeever bought the (by 1912) empty lots would get "a nice piece of farm land", which presumably those onion and peppermint farmers as of 3 years later had done. At least one peppermint farm still exists across the road in the next section.
Time for your newspaper citations, newspaper-searchers! ☺
Shame on the editor who brought GNIS "unincorporated community" crap back in to this article, when we have contemporary sources saying that it never was and 21st century sources discussing Wayne Township schools (not even on this section of the township) and farmers, in December 2023.
Comment This was definitely populated, it had at least a factory that people worked at. The question now is around notability, and whether writing an article from mostly newspaper clippings is acceptable or not. If it's not notable, then its delete. But, there still seems to be a lot of disagreement around determining the notability of populated places. James.folsom ( talk) 23:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
The result was move to draft. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:22, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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I'm having to fight to have this article tell the truth, which is that Lena Park was a scam and that there never was such a settlement in reality. There's even a cite for that, but some unwary USGS employee looked at a dot on a Indiana DOT map and decided it was a real place, and so now it's back to being an "unincorporated community" because WP:GNIS. It's not real, and it never has been, and in this case I'm dubious that the Indiana DOT via GNIS is a reliable source for the place where the scam was supposed to have been. The topo what shows this name is so bad that it shows a small grid of streets a bit to the south (which I presume was supposed to be the location of the town) which are utterly fictitious. Given a single reference I'm dubious that it's a notable scam, which is why we are here, but at any rate my next move is going to be removing all the appurtenances of this being a place of any kind from the article if we decide it should be kept. Mangoe ( talk) 13:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Wilkinson Jr 2006, p. 341 repeats this and adds little more except that there never was a cut glass factory, it never going into operation because (it was claimed) the sand was not suitable for glass-making, something that Allen clearly missed.Lena Park's train depot and glass factory were right across the road from the farm. One hundred years ago, Lena Park was promoted as "The New Manufacturing City, only surpassed by the world's most rapid growth town, Gary, Indiana".
If there's sourcing to be had, it isn't the history books. This one is down to the newspapers and whatever is in there, such as MEP 1912 which says that the glass factory appears to have been a "dummy" corporation, the building and plant machinery implied to be purely for show, and not going into operation because it was never intended to in the first place, and that whoeever bought the (by 1912) empty lots would get "a nice piece of farm land", which presumably those onion and peppermint farmers as of 3 years later had done. At least one peppermint farm still exists across the road in the next section.
Time for your newspaper citations, newspaper-searchers! ☺
Shame on the editor who brought GNIS "unincorporated community" crap back in to this article, when we have contemporary sources saying that it never was and 21st century sources discussing Wayne Township schools (not even on this section of the township) and farmers, in December 2023.
Comment This was definitely populated, it had at least a factory that people worked at. The question now is around notability, and whether writing an article from mostly newspaper clippings is acceptable or not. If it's not notable, then its delete. But, there still seems to be a lot of disagreement around determining the notability of populated places. James.folsom ( talk) 23:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)