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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:58, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Lee Van Arsdale
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Fails WP:GNG. No coverage found. Störm (talk) 08:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete nothing even remotely close to showing notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:58, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. AustralianRupert ( talk) 09:24, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Present article doesn't assert this (to be changed) - He lead the Delta Force squadron at Battle of Mogadishu (1993) [1] [2], which lead to his IMDB entry [3] due to his advisory role on the movies. He also captured Manuel Noriega [4]. Quite a bit of coverage of him as a Private military company exec/soldier/leader. Icewhiz ( talk) 10:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC) Note that beyond his military career which is notable in a number of respects (awards, actual operations, and coverage thereof) leading Triple Canopy, a 6,000 man force, during (2005-9) the Iraq War would meet SOLDIER(2) and SOLDIER(5). Icewhiz ( talk) 11:07, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- He also possibly was
Delta Force commander - at least per some sources (he certainly was a squadron leader and later a counter-terrorism chief in the pentagon - not sure about this one - sources might be misstating commander in as commander) -
[5]
[6]
[7].
Icewhiz (
talk) 11:40, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- He still fails SOLDIER #2 and SOLDIER #5, as 6,000 men isn't division size, and apparentlyt that was the security company's entire workbase, the force actually deployed and commanded was certainly smaller. (Also note
Triple Canopy makes no mention of Van Arsdale.) I'm pretty sure "command of Delta Force" doesn't pass SOLDIER #2 either, as it's explicitly mentioned in
Delta Force as being a colonel's billet. -
The Bushranger
One ping only 03:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- 6,000 is larger than a brigade/regimnet. It is smallish for a Division - it is in between. Note that personnel numbers in military forces include support staff too (not just combay soldiers) - there's no reason to believe that mercenary outfits have more support workers than regular army (they probably have less). Not all birds are created equal. This bird has a silver star, played an in important role in the battle of Battle of Mogadishu (1993), was portrayed in the subsequent popular movie Black Hawk Down (film), commanded a significant outfit for a bird (sure, Delta force is a bird's billet - but it's much more significant than the 22nd supply depot), and went on to do significant things after retirement - being CEO of Pavilion for 4 years (a 6,000 man mercenary unit), founding a think tank, etc. Icewhiz ( talk) 09:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- He still fails SOLDIER #2 and SOLDIER #5, as 6,000 men isn't division size, and apparentlyt that was the security company's entire workbase, the force actually deployed and commanded was certainly smaller. (Also note
Triple Canopy makes no mention of Van Arsdale.) I'm pretty sure "command of Delta Force" doesn't pass SOLDIER #2 either, as it's explicitly mentioned in
Delta Force as being a colonel's billet. -
The Bushranger
One ping only 03:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable stub. Basically a trivial PR blurb. Kierzek ( talk) 13:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- WP:HEY - I significantly improved the article and sourcing therein. Icewhiz ( talk) 10:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable. Third-party citations therein mention him once or twice in passing. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 17:30, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete -- promotionalism for a nn businessperson. His military career does not rise to the leve of WP:SOLDIER, and there's nothing better. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:30, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:58, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Lee Van Arsdale
- Lee Van Arsdale ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Fails WP:GNG. No coverage found. Störm (talk) 08:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete nothing even remotely close to showing notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:58, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. AustralianRupert ( talk) 09:24, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Present article doesn't assert this (to be changed) - He lead the Delta Force squadron at Battle of Mogadishu (1993) [1] [2], which lead to his IMDB entry [3] due to his advisory role on the movies. He also captured Manuel Noriega [4]. Quite a bit of coverage of him as a Private military company exec/soldier/leader. Icewhiz ( talk) 10:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC) Note that beyond his military career which is notable in a number of respects (awards, actual operations, and coverage thereof) leading Triple Canopy, a 6,000 man force, during (2005-9) the Iraq War would meet SOLDIER(2) and SOLDIER(5). Icewhiz ( talk) 11:07, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- He also possibly was
Delta Force commander - at least per some sources (he certainly was a squadron leader and later a counter-terrorism chief in the pentagon - not sure about this one - sources might be misstating commander in as commander) -
[5]
[6]
[7].
Icewhiz (
talk) 11:40, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- He still fails SOLDIER #2 and SOLDIER #5, as 6,000 men isn't division size, and apparentlyt that was the security company's entire workbase, the force actually deployed and commanded was certainly smaller. (Also note
Triple Canopy makes no mention of Van Arsdale.) I'm pretty sure "command of Delta Force" doesn't pass SOLDIER #2 either, as it's explicitly mentioned in
Delta Force as being a colonel's billet. -
The Bushranger
One ping only 03:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- 6,000 is larger than a brigade/regimnet. It is smallish for a Division - it is in between. Note that personnel numbers in military forces include support staff too (not just combay soldiers) - there's no reason to believe that mercenary outfits have more support workers than regular army (they probably have less). Not all birds are created equal. This bird has a silver star, played an in important role in the battle of Battle of Mogadishu (1993), was portrayed in the subsequent popular movie Black Hawk Down (film), commanded a significant outfit for a bird (sure, Delta force is a bird's billet - but it's much more significant than the 22nd supply depot), and went on to do significant things after retirement - being CEO of Pavilion for 4 years (a 6,000 man mercenary unit), founding a think tank, etc. Icewhiz ( talk) 09:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- He still fails SOLDIER #2 and SOLDIER #5, as 6,000 men isn't division size, and apparentlyt that was the security company's entire workbase, the force actually deployed and commanded was certainly smaller. (Also note
Triple Canopy makes no mention of Van Arsdale.) I'm pretty sure "command of Delta Force" doesn't pass SOLDIER #2 either, as it's explicitly mentioned in
Delta Force as being a colonel's billet. -
The Bushranger
One ping only 03:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable stub. Basically a trivial PR blurb. Kierzek ( talk) 13:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- WP:HEY - I significantly improved the article and sourcing therein. Icewhiz ( talk) 10:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable. Third-party citations therein mention him once or twice in passing. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 17:30, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete -- promotionalism for a nn businessperson. His military career does not rise to the leve of WP:SOLDIER, and there's nothing better. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:30, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.