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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 22:23, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Lee Mudd
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Promotional and almost certainly autobiographical article. Subject fails GNG and SPORTSBASIC BlameRuiner ( talk) 13:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Northern Ireland. Shellwood ( talk) 14:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - weak delete Looking at the top few sources, there maybe something there [1], [2], [3], however I don't think it's WP:LASTING. Govvy ( talk) 15:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep @ Govvy:, Besides the sources above, I found [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], and [13], among many many more sources. Clearly significant figure in Northern Irish football with ongoing career. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 21:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per sources above which show notability. Article needs a serious re-write. Giant Snowman 20:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment @ Das osmnezz: Those additional pings won't work, you would need a new sentence. As for the other sources, I am still not impressed. I don't see anything beyond a said few bits, so he in football and an agent, I don't see anything beyond that regardless by the amount of citations you have shown above. I still feel WP:LASTING is there for a reason in wikipedia and it applies to this bio article. Govvy ( talk) 09:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- You just linked an event criteria and even then his coverage ranges from his playing career in New Zealand and France and being an agent over years... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 15:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I think the sources presented above are enough. The article needs rewriting though, it was probably written by the subject, considering the username. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 19:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - some of the coverage of Mudd's former career as a footballer toes at the line of significant depth with sources like [14] and [15]; everything about his agent career is pure PR churn. All told I'm not quite seeing GNG. signed, Rosguill talk 02:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- How is there proof that "everything" about his agent career is "pure PR churn"... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 19:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 05:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; the available sources are not in-depth coverage, are derivative of club press releases or are interviews with the subject that contain very little secondary analysis. The best source appears to be the NIWorld piece from 23 November 2013, but even that leans heavily on an interview with the subject. There is also a lot of PR puffery in many of these sources; the claim that he played for Olympique Lyon is especially self-promotional as Mudd only appears to have been on trial. A lot of this reminds me of an American soccer player who never played professionally but had trials at a lot of Scandanavian and South American clubs, and someone with an apparent COI wrote a Wikipedia article about him which ultimately was removed after 2 AfDs. Jogurney ( talk) 17:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Bizarre comparison... this guy has way more sources over a period of years than the guy you mentioned above (
Jordan Older). Thanks,
Das osmnezz (
talk)
19:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not bizarre. As far as anyone can tell, Mudd's played zero competitive matches for Stockport County, Bolton, Brighton or Lyon, yet these clubs get mentions in most of the articles about him. Someone has been feeding that promotional information to the article authors (user:Muddy10 might know ;)), not so different from what we saw with Older.
Jogurney (
talk)
02:00, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Still a bizarre comparison to Jordan Older, who I could find zero sources about, let alone articles from a main newspaper in his country... Seriously... many of the articles about Mudd published during his playing career are from the Belfast Telegraph, considered to be the main evening newspaper in Northern Ireland (it's not a tabloid either)... on top of that, some of the sources from his playing career are about his time in New Zealand, where he definitely played games... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 12:00, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not bizarre. As far as anyone can tell, Mudd's played zero competitive matches for Stockport County, Bolton, Brighton or Lyon, yet these clubs get mentions in most of the articles about him. Someone has been feeding that promotional information to the article authors (user:Muddy10 might know ;)), not so different from what we saw with Older.
Jogurney (
talk)
02:00, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Bizarre comparison... this guy has way more sources over a period of years than the guy you mentioned above (
Jordan Older). Thanks,
Das osmnezz (
talk)
19:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, I am also unimpressed with the sources above. Passing mentions, transactional coverage, etc. do not constitute GNG. JoelleJay ( talk) 20:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of SIGCOV Alvaldi ( talk) 19:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 22:23, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Lee Mudd
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Promotional and almost certainly autobiographical article. Subject fails GNG and SPORTSBASIC BlameRuiner ( talk) 13:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Northern Ireland. Shellwood ( talk) 14:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - weak delete Looking at the top few sources, there maybe something there [1], [2], [3], however I don't think it's WP:LASTING. Govvy ( talk) 15:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep @ Govvy:, Besides the sources above, I found [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], and [13], among many many more sources. Clearly significant figure in Northern Irish football with ongoing career. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 21:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per sources above which show notability. Article needs a serious re-write. Giant Snowman 20:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment @ Das osmnezz: Those additional pings won't work, you would need a new sentence. As for the other sources, I am still not impressed. I don't see anything beyond a said few bits, so he in football and an agent, I don't see anything beyond that regardless by the amount of citations you have shown above. I still feel WP:LASTING is there for a reason in wikipedia and it applies to this bio article. Govvy ( talk) 09:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- You just linked an event criteria and even then his coverage ranges from his playing career in New Zealand and France and being an agent over years... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 15:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I think the sources presented above are enough. The article needs rewriting though, it was probably written by the subject, considering the username. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 19:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - some of the coverage of Mudd's former career as a footballer toes at the line of significant depth with sources like [14] and [15]; everything about his agent career is pure PR churn. All told I'm not quite seeing GNG. signed, Rosguill talk 02:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- How is there proof that "everything" about his agent career is "pure PR churn"... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 19:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 05:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; the available sources are not in-depth coverage, are derivative of club press releases or are interviews with the subject that contain very little secondary analysis. The best source appears to be the NIWorld piece from 23 November 2013, but even that leans heavily on an interview with the subject. There is also a lot of PR puffery in many of these sources; the claim that he played for Olympique Lyon is especially self-promotional as Mudd only appears to have been on trial. A lot of this reminds me of an American soccer player who never played professionally but had trials at a lot of Scandanavian and South American clubs, and someone with an apparent COI wrote a Wikipedia article about him which ultimately was removed after 2 AfDs. Jogurney ( talk) 17:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Bizarre comparison... this guy has way more sources over a period of years than the guy you mentioned above (
Jordan Older). Thanks,
Das osmnezz (
talk)
19:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not bizarre. As far as anyone can tell, Mudd's played zero competitive matches for Stockport County, Bolton, Brighton or Lyon, yet these clubs get mentions in most of the articles about him. Someone has been feeding that promotional information to the article authors (user:Muddy10 might know ;)), not so different from what we saw with Older.
Jogurney (
talk)
02:00, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Still a bizarre comparison to Jordan Older, who I could find zero sources about, let alone articles from a main newspaper in his country... Seriously... many of the articles about Mudd published during his playing career are from the Belfast Telegraph, considered to be the main evening newspaper in Northern Ireland (it's not a tabloid either)... on top of that, some of the sources from his playing career are about his time in New Zealand, where he definitely played games... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 12:00, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not bizarre. As far as anyone can tell, Mudd's played zero competitive matches for Stockport County, Bolton, Brighton or Lyon, yet these clubs get mentions in most of the articles about him. Someone has been feeding that promotional information to the article authors (user:Muddy10 might know ;)), not so different from what we saw with Older.
Jogurney (
talk)
02:00, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Bizarre comparison... this guy has way more sources over a period of years than the guy you mentioned above (
Jordan Older). Thanks,
Das osmnezz (
talk)
19:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, I am also unimpressed with the sources above. Passing mentions, transactional coverage, etc. do not constitute GNG. JoelleJay ( talk) 20:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of SIGCOV Alvaldi ( talk) 19:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.