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The result was keep. Wide agreement here that GNG is met. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 04:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Larry Beightol
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Not my field at all, but I thought the requirement for notabiltiy as a coach did not extend to assistant coaches. DGG ( talk ) 00:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment: DGG, did you search for sources on Beightol before nominating this article for deletion? Newspapers.com alone shows 9,703 results for his name, including many in headlines. And even leaving aside his time as an assistant coach, he spent a season as head coach of the Louisiana Tech Bulldogs football team, which is D-I. Why is this not enough to establish notability as someone who " [s]erved as a full-time (as opposed to interim) head coach for NCAA division I/University Division football"? -- Usernameunique ( talk) 01:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- As I said, I leave it to other people's judgment. Myself,I think notability in sports does or at least ought to require both the GNG and the SNG, and I also disagree that a nominal period of participation at the highest level is sufficient., especially if it's apparently a temporary position. I know others may disagree, as people tend to disagree on everything involving most of the SNGs. In this area, I make no judgments myself, but justpropose discussion. DGG ( talk ) 01:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- DGG, that appears to be a clear violation of WP:BEFORE, which instructs that "[p]rior to nominating article(s) for deletion," you should "[s]earch for additional sources, if the main concern is notability." And your view that sports-related notability "ought to require both the GNG and the SNG" is squarely at odds with policy, which states that "A topic is presumed to merit an article if ... It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) ..., or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG)." In any event, it seems clear that Beightol:
- Meets the general notability guidelines (significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject)
- Meets the subject-specific notability guidelines for college football coaches (served as a full-time head coach for a D-I program)
- Equally, the notability guideline for professional football coaches simply "does not apply to assistant coaches or coaching assistants"; that hardly means that someone who has been an assistant professional football coach cannot demonstrate notability by other means, as Beightol clearly has. --02:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Usernameunique. Seems to be enough to meet WP:GNG. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - appears to easily pass GNG. For example: "Lou Holtz's loss is LaTech's gain" from The Shreveport Times, "Larry Beightol: New Guy on the Blockers" from The Los Angeles Times, "Up Front, the Pressure Is on the Jets' Linemen. Just Listen to Their Coach." from The New York Times. Also passes the SNG WP:NCOLLATH #5, as he was head coach for Louisiana Tech in 1979. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: Plenty of coverage. Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 22:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:NCOLLATH #5, per all above. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 11:50, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep If there is 9,703 results at newspapers.com for his name then he definitely passes WP:GNG. Plus, he was a head coach for a season. BeanieFan11 ( talk | contribs) 20:48, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep as per available references, passes GNG. Timberlack ( talk) 06:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sockstrike. Blablubbs| talk 20:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep we typically find that college head football coaches pass WP:GNG and this one seems to be no exception.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 14:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep comfortably passes GNG. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 20:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Wide agreement here that GNG is met. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 04:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Larry Beightol
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Not my field at all, but I thought the requirement for notabiltiy as a coach did not extend to assistant coaches. DGG ( talk ) 00:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: DGG, did you search for sources on Beightol before nominating this article for deletion? Newspapers.com alone shows 9,703 results for his name, including many in headlines. And even leaving aside his time as an assistant coach, he spent a season as head coach of the Louisiana Tech Bulldogs football team, which is D-I. Why is this not enough to establish notability as someone who " [s]erved as a full-time (as opposed to interim) head coach for NCAA division I/University Division football"? -- Usernameunique ( talk) 01:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- As I said, I leave it to other people's judgment. Myself,I think notability in sports does or at least ought to require both the GNG and the SNG, and I also disagree that a nominal period of participation at the highest level is sufficient., especially if it's apparently a temporary position. I know others may disagree, as people tend to disagree on everything involving most of the SNGs. In this area, I make no judgments myself, but justpropose discussion. DGG ( talk ) 01:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- DGG, that appears to be a clear violation of WP:BEFORE, which instructs that "[p]rior to nominating article(s) for deletion," you should "[s]earch for additional sources, if the main concern is notability." And your view that sports-related notability "ought to require both the GNG and the SNG" is squarely at odds with policy, which states that "A topic is presumed to merit an article if ... It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) ..., or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG)." In any event, it seems clear that Beightol:
- Meets the general notability guidelines (significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject)
- Meets the subject-specific notability guidelines for college football coaches (served as a full-time head coach for a D-I program)
- Equally, the notability guideline for professional football coaches simply "does not apply to assistant coaches or coaching assistants"; that hardly means that someone who has been an assistant professional football coach cannot demonstrate notability by other means, as Beightol clearly has. --02:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Usernameunique. Seems to be enough to meet WP:GNG. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - appears to easily pass GNG. For example: "Lou Holtz's loss is LaTech's gain" from The Shreveport Times, "Larry Beightol: New Guy on the Blockers" from The Los Angeles Times, "Up Front, the Pressure Is on the Jets' Linemen. Just Listen to Their Coach." from The New York Times. Also passes the SNG WP:NCOLLATH #5, as he was head coach for Louisiana Tech in 1979. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: Plenty of coverage. Etzedek24 ( I'll talk at ya) ( Check my track record) 22:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:NCOLLATH #5, per all above. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 11:50, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep If there is 9,703 results at newspapers.com for his name then he definitely passes WP:GNG. Plus, he was a head coach for a season. BeanieFan11 ( talk | contribs) 20:48, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Keep as per available references, passes GNG. Timberlack ( talk) 06:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sockstrike. Blablubbs| talk 20:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep we typically find that college head football coaches pass WP:GNG and this one seems to be no exception.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 14:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep comfortably passes GNG. LEPRICAVARK ( talk) 20:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
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