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The result was merge to Lady Godiva#Images in art and society. Liz Read! Talk! 05:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
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- Lady Godiva in popular culture ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Another mostly unreferenced violation of WP:IPC/ MOS:POPCULTURE, i.e. pretty random list of media mentioning Lady Godiva (ex. "In the 1970s TV series Maude, the opening song, sung by Donny Hathaway, includes the lyrics, "...Lady Godiva was a freedom rider, she didn't care if the whole world looked."" or "Sliding Doors Gwyneth Paltrow's character says 'like lady shagging Godiva'", and worse, like "Home Time, a 2009 sitcom filmed and based in the city" - perhaps a misplaced reference to Coventry?). As an article, this fails WP:GNG. As a list, WP:LISTN. Note that aside from the usual list of mostly trivial appearances, this article also features a short section on Lady Godiva as a patron of engineers, and longer on her prominence in Coventry, both badly referenced. Something from this could be perhaps merged to the main article on Lady Godiva, which could probably use an "in popular culture" section, but I am skeptical whether anything from the current mess is easily salvagable. My recommendation is to do a redirect, without deleting history; maybe one day, when someone feels like creating such a section in the main article, they can check this mess and find a few tidbits of use. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, History, Popular culture, and Lists. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I'm seeing sources which cover the topic of this article: e.g.
1,
2. If others disagree, then redirect to
Lady Godiva#Images in art and society as an alternative to deletion.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (
talk)
14:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- The first source ("Discover the History of Lady Godiva") seems more related to the Lady Godiva article than here. The second ("Look: The impact of Lady Godiva on pop culture") is more relevant but it contains zero analysis, it's pretty much a copy of some of the examples from our article, pasted into a local newspaper. The lack of any analysis, not even an introductory paragraph, combined with a rather obvious case of rewriting a Wikipedia article (our list here), makes it not really useful, IMHO. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Selective Merge to Lady Godiva#Images in art and society - When all of the TV Tropes WP:EXAMPLEFARM elements are removed, neither this nor the main Lady Godiva article are so overly long that a WP:SPLIT would actually be necessary. The two prose sections (the "Coventry" and "Engineering Mascot" sections) contain a few bits of sourced content that would be appropriate to merge to the main article. Of the two sources provided by Ficaia above, the first is decent, but is entirely contained to the specific topic of historical art of Lady Godiva rather than the concept of popular culture as a whole, and would be much more at home supporting the "Images in art and society" section of the main article. The second source I don't feel has much value, as it is also just a list of examples, and I honestly would not be surprised if it was created by cribbing this very Wikipedia list, as many of the entries in it appear to just be slight rewordings of the entries here. Rorshacma ( talk) 15:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly purging of the worst of the trivia. Lady Godiva and her legend are a significant cultural icon in Coventry. If the article were full of red-links, it might be different, but the articles alluded to all exist. at Worst merge as just suggested. Peterkingiron ( talk) 12:55, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Merge/Redirect per all. Agree with the nom that this doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV or WP:MOS. Jontesta ( talk) 21:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep, merge, or redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 22:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Lady Godiva#Images in art and society. This is an unusual case of a topic that is probably mostly known from popular culture depictions, so it makes more sense to have everything together in one article. The combined article (once the vast body of unsourced content is removed from the nominated article) will not be overly long. BD2412 T 00:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Merge/Redirect per above. QuietHere ( talk) 03:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Selectively merge and redirect per above; article should not be kept in the condition it is now. Handmeanotherbagofthemchips ( talk) 14:31, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to Lady Godiva#Images in art and society. Liz Read! Talk! 05:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
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- Lady Godiva in popular culture ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Another mostly unreferenced violation of WP:IPC/ MOS:POPCULTURE, i.e. pretty random list of media mentioning Lady Godiva (ex. "In the 1970s TV series Maude, the opening song, sung by Donny Hathaway, includes the lyrics, "...Lady Godiva was a freedom rider, she didn't care if the whole world looked."" or "Sliding Doors Gwyneth Paltrow's character says 'like lady shagging Godiva'", and worse, like "Home Time, a 2009 sitcom filmed and based in the city" - perhaps a misplaced reference to Coventry?). As an article, this fails WP:GNG. As a list, WP:LISTN. Note that aside from the usual list of mostly trivial appearances, this article also features a short section on Lady Godiva as a patron of engineers, and longer on her prominence in Coventry, both badly referenced. Something from this could be perhaps merged to the main article on Lady Godiva, which could probably use an "in popular culture" section, but I am skeptical whether anything from the current mess is easily salvagable. My recommendation is to do a redirect, without deleting history; maybe one day, when someone feels like creating such a section in the main article, they can check this mess and find a few tidbits of use. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, History, Popular culture, and Lists. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I'm seeing sources which cover the topic of this article: e.g.
1,
2. If others disagree, then redirect to
Lady Godiva#Images in art and society as an alternative to deletion.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (
talk)
14:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- The first source ("Discover the History of Lady Godiva") seems more related to the Lady Godiva article than here. The second ("Look: The impact of Lady Godiva on pop culture") is more relevant but it contains zero analysis, it's pretty much a copy of some of the examples from our article, pasted into a local newspaper. The lack of any analysis, not even an introductory paragraph, combined with a rather obvious case of rewriting a Wikipedia article (our list here), makes it not really useful, IMHO. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Selective Merge to Lady Godiva#Images in art and society - When all of the TV Tropes WP:EXAMPLEFARM elements are removed, neither this nor the main Lady Godiva article are so overly long that a WP:SPLIT would actually be necessary. The two prose sections (the "Coventry" and "Engineering Mascot" sections) contain a few bits of sourced content that would be appropriate to merge to the main article. Of the two sources provided by Ficaia above, the first is decent, but is entirely contained to the specific topic of historical art of Lady Godiva rather than the concept of popular culture as a whole, and would be much more at home supporting the "Images in art and society" section of the main article. The second source I don't feel has much value, as it is also just a list of examples, and I honestly would not be surprised if it was created by cribbing this very Wikipedia list, as many of the entries in it appear to just be slight rewordings of the entries here. Rorshacma ( talk) 15:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly purging of the worst of the trivia. Lady Godiva and her legend are a significant cultural icon in Coventry. If the article were full of red-links, it might be different, but the articles alluded to all exist. at Worst merge as just suggested. Peterkingiron ( talk) 12:55, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Merge/Redirect per all. Agree with the nom that this doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV or WP:MOS. Jontesta ( talk) 21:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep, merge, or redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 22:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Lady Godiva#Images in art and society. This is an unusual case of a topic that is probably mostly known from popular culture depictions, so it makes more sense to have everything together in one article. The combined article (once the vast body of unsourced content is removed from the nominated article) will not be overly long. BD2412 T 00:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Merge/Redirect per above. QuietHere ( talk) 03:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Selectively merge and redirect per above; article should not be kept in the condition it is now. Handmeanotherbagofthemchips ( talk) 14:31, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.