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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 17:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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Fails GNG and NMUSIC. No appearances in any charts that I could find, nor is there SIGCOV about her. Would not satisfy any other notability criteria. PK650 ( talk) 06:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment If not deleted, needs to be at a better title, perhaps LJ (singer), and the entry at dab page LJ (to which I've just added her) needs to be updated. Would have moved the page, but it's not helpful to do so during an AfD. Pam D 10:39, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
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Hi PK650, I created this Wikipedia article for LJ Music. Please accept my apologies if there is something wrong with the page or I did not follow a specific Wikipedia rule or process. I've been an avid Wikipedia contributor for almost 10 years and have made hundreds of contributions and have created a bunch of pages for all types of people and organizations in the arts. I really hope this page does not get deleted because I feel it does warrant having its own page.
I read through your reasons for deleting her page. Thank you for taking the time to go through Wikipedia articles to ensure they are accurate and warranted! As a 10-year Wikipedia contributor, I strongly believe in ensuring Wikipedia is as accurate as possible :)
For your comments, are you suggesting that if a musician does not have an appearance in a chart that he or she should not be able to have a Wikipedia page? I don't necessarily agree with that requirement. I felt a Wikipedia article is justified for her for three key reasons.
First, LJ Music, from what I have found, is signed to a well-known record label/publishing company (RED Creative Group) that work with many reputable artists, which to me helps prove her reputation.
Second, from what I found, she has worked with, and appears to be currently working with, a bunch of well-known producers and songwriters who have been in the music industry a long time and have won many industry awards (such as Jeremy Stover, Paul DiGiovanni, Deana Carter, Monty Criswell, Kelly Archer, Sarah Buxton, and the Warren Brothers.)
And third, she has a bunch of credible third-party industry websites that have written about her, or mention her work, that satisfied Wikipedia's requirement to have verifiable sources. I felt these three reasons made her legit enough to have her own Wikipedia article, especially since she has songs that are live from those known individuals in the music industry. I don't think that just because she doesn't have a hit song that she should be disqualified for having a page?
Regarding PamD's comment, I can totally change the title. The only reason I chose "musician" rather than "singer" is because I have seen "musician" used in parenthesis all the time for musicians throughout my years contributing to Wikipedia. I was just trying to follow the same format and use the same verbiage I've seen other musicians used.
Do you agree with any of my reasonings? Would you feel more comfortable keeping the page if I found more information about her that increased her credibility? I understand anyone has the right to suggest a page for deletion on Wikipedia, but I was hoping my 10 years as a contributor, and the facts I've made hundreds of contributions over the years would help prove my credibility. During my daily browsing of the world wide web, when I come across an artist, musician, or other kind of enthusiast, if I see enough about that person, I try to create or contribute to a Wikipedia page. So that's why I decided to create hers, after seeing all the information about being signed, published, working with award winning songwriters and producers, and seeing so many third-party websites mentioning her and her music career.
Happy to talk more. And thank you again for bringing this to my attention! Hoping this page can stay. Salvatore42 ( talk) 20:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- @ Salvatore42: Please look at WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC which were mentioned, but unfortunately not linked, in the nomination. Then make sure that the article has sources which satisfy the requirements of one of these, and make a "Keep" argument on this page pointing out how LJ satisfies those criteria. Thanks. Pam D 00:35, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Also, could I please have you clarify the following: "I created this Wikipedia article for LJ Music"? Do you mean to say you were working for/with LJ Music? PK650 ( talk) 22:22, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:48, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per the nominator, does not meet WP:MUSICBIO. Sambhil32 ( talk) 19:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Agree with the nominator and Sambhil32 that the sources provided do not adequately satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. -- Kinu t/ c 21:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 17:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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Fails GNG and NMUSIC. No appearances in any charts that I could find, nor is there SIGCOV about her. Would not satisfy any other notability criteria. PK650 ( talk) 06:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. PK650 ( talk) 06:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:41, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:42, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:42, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment If not deleted, needs to be at a better title, perhaps LJ (singer), and the entry at dab page LJ (to which I've just added her) needs to be updated. Would have moved the page, but it's not helpful to do so during an AfD. Pam D 10:39, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment from article author
Hi PK650, I created this Wikipedia article for LJ Music. Please accept my apologies if there is something wrong with the page or I did not follow a specific Wikipedia rule or process. I've been an avid Wikipedia contributor for almost 10 years and have made hundreds of contributions and have created a bunch of pages for all types of people and organizations in the arts. I really hope this page does not get deleted because I feel it does warrant having its own page.
I read through your reasons for deleting her page. Thank you for taking the time to go through Wikipedia articles to ensure they are accurate and warranted! As a 10-year Wikipedia contributor, I strongly believe in ensuring Wikipedia is as accurate as possible :)
For your comments, are you suggesting that if a musician does not have an appearance in a chart that he or she should not be able to have a Wikipedia page? I don't necessarily agree with that requirement. I felt a Wikipedia article is justified for her for three key reasons.
First, LJ Music, from what I have found, is signed to a well-known record label/publishing company (RED Creative Group) that work with many reputable artists, which to me helps prove her reputation.
Second, from what I found, she has worked with, and appears to be currently working with, a bunch of well-known producers and songwriters who have been in the music industry a long time and have won many industry awards (such as Jeremy Stover, Paul DiGiovanni, Deana Carter, Monty Criswell, Kelly Archer, Sarah Buxton, and the Warren Brothers.)
And third, she has a bunch of credible third-party industry websites that have written about her, or mention her work, that satisfied Wikipedia's requirement to have verifiable sources. I felt these three reasons made her legit enough to have her own Wikipedia article, especially since she has songs that are live from those known individuals in the music industry. I don't think that just because she doesn't have a hit song that she should be disqualified for having a page?
Regarding PamD's comment, I can totally change the title. The only reason I chose "musician" rather than "singer" is because I have seen "musician" used in parenthesis all the time for musicians throughout my years contributing to Wikipedia. I was just trying to follow the same format and use the same verbiage I've seen other musicians used.
Do you agree with any of my reasonings? Would you feel more comfortable keeping the page if I found more information about her that increased her credibility? I understand anyone has the right to suggest a page for deletion on Wikipedia, but I was hoping my 10 years as a contributor, and the facts I've made hundreds of contributions over the years would help prove my credibility. During my daily browsing of the world wide web, when I come across an artist, musician, or other kind of enthusiast, if I see enough about that person, I try to create or contribute to a Wikipedia page. So that's why I decided to create hers, after seeing all the information about being signed, published, working with award winning songwriters and producers, and seeing so many third-party websites mentioning her and her music career.
Happy to talk more. And thank you again for bringing this to my attention! Hoping this page can stay. Salvatore42 ( talk) 20:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- @ Salvatore42: Please look at WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC which were mentioned, but unfortunately not linked, in the nomination. Then make sure that the article has sources which satisfy the requirements of one of these, and make a "Keep" argument on this page pointing out how LJ satisfies those criteria. Thanks. Pam D 00:35, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- Also, could I please have you clarify the following: "I created this Wikipedia article for LJ Music"? Do you mean to say you were working for/with LJ Music? PK650 ( talk) 22:22, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:48, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per the nominator, does not meet WP:MUSICBIO. Sambhil32 ( talk) 19:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Agree with the nominator and Sambhil32 that the sources provided do not adequately satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. -- Kinu t/ c 21:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.