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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing
Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed
Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement.
WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded with no helpful rationale (despite the fact that I explicitly asked for one in the PROD). Yet another example that PRODs are vulnerable to abuse. Let's discuss then - can anyone find anything to salvage this? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 01:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep This is the Pirates of the Caribbean version not the famous Clash of the Titans one of "Release the Kraken"! Even so, there seems to be plenty of coverage out there. For example, see Queer Buccaneers: (de)constructing Boundaries in the Pirates of the Caribbean Film Series which amusingly deconstructs it as a "Freudian
vagina dentata"! As usual, the policies
WP:ATD;
WP:BEFORE;
WP:IMPERFECT;
WP:NEXIST;
WP:NOTPAPER;
WP:PRESERVE apply and so deletion is not appropriate.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 10:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Kraken in popular culture. Most of this article is plot summary sourced to primary sources (mostly the pieces of fiction themselves), with some
WP:OR sprinkled in for good measure. I thought there might have been some decently sourced information in the "Film Production" section that could be merged, but it really does not look like there is. I'm finding a few mentions of the Pirates version of the Kraken in some scholarly source discussing depictions of the Kraken in general, and while they can be added to bolster its entry in the broad list, none of it appears in-depth enough to support an independent article or demonstrate independent notability.
Rorshacma (
talk) 16:07, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect per above. It takes a lot to establish some component within a work of fiction as notable, and that is not passed here. We need 3rd party analysis of the thing, and that is lacking.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 13:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect as above, and per
WP:NOTEVERYTHING, which is a policy too. The GNG requires significant coverage, not casual mentions or namedrops.
Ravenswing 15:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing
Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed
Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement.
WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded with no helpful rationale (despite the fact that I explicitly asked for one in the PROD). Yet another example that PRODs are vulnerable to abuse. Let's discuss then - can anyone find anything to salvage this? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 01:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep This is the Pirates of the Caribbean version not the famous Clash of the Titans one of "Release the Kraken"! Even so, there seems to be plenty of coverage out there. For example, see Queer Buccaneers: (de)constructing Boundaries in the Pirates of the Caribbean Film Series which amusingly deconstructs it as a "Freudian
vagina dentata"! As usual, the policies
WP:ATD;
WP:BEFORE;
WP:IMPERFECT;
WP:NEXIST;
WP:NOTPAPER;
WP:PRESERVE apply and so deletion is not appropriate.
Andrew🐉(
talk) 10:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Kraken in popular culture. Most of this article is plot summary sourced to primary sources (mostly the pieces of fiction themselves), with some
WP:OR sprinkled in for good measure. I thought there might have been some decently sourced information in the "Film Production" section that could be merged, but it really does not look like there is. I'm finding a few mentions of the Pirates version of the Kraken in some scholarly source discussing depictions of the Kraken in general, and while they can be added to bolster its entry in the broad list, none of it appears in-depth enough to support an independent article or demonstrate independent notability.
Rorshacma (
talk) 16:07, 31 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect per above. It takes a lot to establish some component within a work of fiction as notable, and that is not passed here. We need 3rd party analysis of the thing, and that is lacking.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 13:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect as above, and per
WP:NOTEVERYTHING, which is a policy too. The GNG requires significant coverage, not casual mentions or namedrops.
Ravenswing 15:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.