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The result was merge to Thomas Myles. and Kilcoole. A bold close; but, there being a clear consensus for a merge, the only question is- where to? The emergent opinion- based as much on lack of exoressed views as on those expressed- indicates that both the individual most noted for involvement in the event and the place it took place are deemed the most suitable tagets. Irish Volunteers and Easter Rising gained little traction, and Howth almost none at all. There are few strong arguments presented, but the strongest are- after a month of discussion- favouring Myles and / or Kilcoole. The boldness of this close, I suggest, lies ore in the and than the or. I say nothing about the original necessity in bringing an article to a deletion discussion which even the nominator favoured merging; for future reference, note we have WP:MERGE precisely for that. (non-admin closure) — fortuna velut luna 10:05, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Kilcoole gun-running
- Kilcoole gun-running ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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- Merge: with either Easter Rising and/or Thomas Myles and/or Kilcoole -- insufficiently notable in its own right. Stub created by Irish republican on a tear, determined to create articles and categories about anyone/anything connected to The Troubles. (I also will support a consensus to delete.) Quis separabit? 14:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- keep significant and has enough coverage Apollo The Logician ( talk) 16:00, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - insigificant. It's like having an article for any time a supply drop was sent to troops in the field. Not denying it happened, just not independently notable. Canterbury Tail talk 20:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Merge with either Easter Rising and/or Thomas Myles and/or Kilcoole. It belongs within the context of those articles. Only if there's so much info on this that it would be undue should it be split off from those. - Indy beetle ( talk) 20:13, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
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- Merge somewhere, perhaps Irish Volunteers. I imagine we have more than one article about Irish Republican activity before the Easter Rising. Note that this all comes from one newspaper source. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:06, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- merge/redirect the incident is already mentioned at Howth gun-running and Thomas Myles. I think Myles is the best place to send a redirect, unless an article about gun-running during the troubles exists. Smmurphy( Talk) 15:45, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There seems to be sufficient consensus to redirect/merge somewhere but not about the target. Since there can only be one redirect target, which should it be?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 12:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: There seems to be sufficient consensus to redirect/merge somewhere but not about the target. Since there can only be one redirect target, which should it be?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 12:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Howth gun-running (Maybe event change the title to Howth and Kilcoole gun-runnings?). There only seems to be recent coverage because of the festival thing or whatever, so I wouldn't call the news very reliable. But, it should be covered along with the Howth gun-running, as this gun-running was the backup plan in case the former went sour. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録 19:23, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Sigh. SoWhy was faced with four possible merge targets and didn't know what to do, so he asked for more input. Now we've got five possible merge targets. Hopefully, in another week of discussion we can reduce that to a single choice? Please, guys? Help us out here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 00:40, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Sigh. SoWhy was faced with four possible merge targets and didn't know what to do, so he asked for more input. Now we've got five possible merge targets. Hopefully, in another week of discussion we can reduce that to a single choice? Please, guys? Help us out here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 00:40, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Make up your mind, guys.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 18:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Make up your mind, guys.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 18:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- @ Rms125a@hotmail.com: - It looks like there is consensus to merge and no one seems to have a strong feeling for the destination for the redirect. From the proposals, can you suggest your first choice and we can see if there is any opposition. Smmurphy( Talk) 21:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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@Smmurphy -- sorry for the delay -- I was trying to arrive at a decision. Between "
Easter Rising and/or
Thomas Myles and/or
Kilcoole", I posit that
Easter Rising might be the most appropriate. But if you have a better or more informed idea, let's chat. Yours,
Quis separabit? 03:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- I hesitate to reiterate my !vote, but I preferr Myles as a good place to redirect someone looking for information on this incident, although I don't have a particularly well-informed idea. From a policy/content perspective, I don't think any material on this page would fit in the Easter Rising page, and so I wouldn't think merging/redirecting to that page would be useful. If you really think it would, I'm fine with it. Smmurphy( Talk) 14:20, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
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@Smmurphy -- sorry for the delay -- I was trying to arrive at a decision. Between "
Easter Rising and/or
Thomas Myles and/or
Kilcoole", I posit that
Easter Rising might be the most appropriate. But if you have a better or more informed idea, let's chat. Yours,
Quis separabit? 03:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I hate fourth relists but no consensus wouldn't be appropriate due to there being no consensus among merge/redirect targets (No consensus results in keep), and there is far from a solid consensus in general. This is a situation where I ask myself: Is a plurality of consensus required or a majority, not relying on pure !vote count?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 06:00, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I hate fourth relists but no consensus wouldn't be appropriate due to there being no consensus among merge/redirect targets (No consensus results in keep), and there is far from a solid consensus in general. This is a situation where I ask myself: Is a plurality of consensus required or a majority, not relying on pure !vote count?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 06:00, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete or merge. Minor event that does not appear notable. Could be merged to some bigger article. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:30, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Thomas Myles. and Kilcoole. A bold close; but, there being a clear consensus for a merge, the only question is- where to? The emergent opinion- based as much on lack of exoressed views as on those expressed- indicates that both the individual most noted for involvement in the event and the place it took place are deemed the most suitable tagets. Irish Volunteers and Easter Rising gained little traction, and Howth almost none at all. There are few strong arguments presented, but the strongest are- after a month of discussion- favouring Myles and / or Kilcoole. The boldness of this close, I suggest, lies ore in the and than the or. I say nothing about the original necessity in bringing an article to a deletion discussion which even the nominator favoured merging; for future reference, note we have WP:MERGE precisely for that. (non-admin closure) — fortuna velut luna 10:05, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Kilcoole gun-running
- Kilcoole gun-running ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Merge: with either Easter Rising and/or Thomas Myles and/or Kilcoole -- insufficiently notable in its own right. Stub created by Irish republican on a tear, determined to create articles and categories about anyone/anything connected to The Troubles. (I also will support a consensus to delete.) Quis separabit? 14:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- keep significant and has enough coverage Apollo The Logician ( talk) 16:00, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - insigificant. It's like having an article for any time a supply drop was sent to troops in the field. Not denying it happened, just not independently notable. Canterbury Tail talk 20:03, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Merge with either Easter Rising and/or Thomas Myles and/or Kilcoole. It belongs within the context of those articles. Only if there's so much info on this that it would be undue should it be split off from those. - Indy beetle ( talk) 20:13, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Firearms-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 20:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
- Merge somewhere, perhaps Irish Volunteers. I imagine we have more than one article about Irish Republican activity before the Easter Rising. Note that this all comes from one newspaper source. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:06, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
- merge/redirect the incident is already mentioned at Howth gun-running and Thomas Myles. I think Myles is the best place to send a redirect, unless an article about gun-running during the troubles exists. Smmurphy( Talk) 15:45, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There seems to be sufficient consensus to redirect/merge somewhere but not about the target. Since there can only be one redirect target, which should it be?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 12:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: There seems to be sufficient consensus to redirect/merge somewhere but not about the target. Since there can only be one redirect target, which should it be?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 12:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Howth gun-running (Maybe event change the title to Howth and Kilcoole gun-runnings?). There only seems to be recent coverage because of the festival thing or whatever, so I wouldn't call the news very reliable. But, it should be covered along with the Howth gun-running, as this gun-running was the backup plan in case the former went sour. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録 19:23, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Sigh. SoWhy was faced with four possible merge targets and didn't know what to do, so he asked for more input. Now we've got five possible merge targets. Hopefully, in another week of discussion we can reduce that to a single choice? Please, guys? Help us out here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 00:40, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Sigh. SoWhy was faced with four possible merge targets and didn't know what to do, so he asked for more input. Now we've got five possible merge targets. Hopefully, in another week of discussion we can reduce that to a single choice? Please, guys? Help us out here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 00:40, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Make up your mind, guys.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 18:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Make up your mind, guys.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 18:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- @ Rms125a@hotmail.com: - It looks like there is consensus to merge and no one seems to have a strong feeling for the destination for the redirect. From the proposals, can you suggest your first choice and we can see if there is any opposition. Smmurphy( Talk) 21:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
-
@Smmurphy -- sorry for the delay -- I was trying to arrive at a decision. Between "
Easter Rising and/or
Thomas Myles and/or
Kilcoole", I posit that
Easter Rising might be the most appropriate. But if you have a better or more informed idea, let's chat. Yours,
Quis separabit? 03:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- I hesitate to reiterate my !vote, but I preferr Myles as a good place to redirect someone looking for information on this incident, although I don't have a particularly well-informed idea. From a policy/content perspective, I don't think any material on this page would fit in the Easter Rising page, and so I wouldn't think merging/redirecting to that page would be useful. If you really think it would, I'm fine with it. Smmurphy( Talk) 14:20, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
-
@Smmurphy -- sorry for the delay -- I was trying to arrive at a decision. Between "
Easter Rising and/or
Thomas Myles and/or
Kilcoole", I posit that
Easter Rising might be the most appropriate. But if you have a better or more informed idea, let's chat. Yours,
Quis separabit? 03:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I hate fourth relists but no consensus wouldn't be appropriate due to there being no consensus among merge/redirect targets (No consensus results in keep), and there is far from a solid consensus in general. This is a situation where I ask myself: Is a plurality of consensus required or a majority, not relying on pure !vote count?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 06:00, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I hate fourth relists but no consensus wouldn't be appropriate due to there being no consensus among merge/redirect targets (No consensus results in keep), and there is far from a solid consensus in general. This is a situation where I ask myself: Is a plurality of consensus required or a majority, not relying on pure !vote count?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947( c) ( m) 06:00, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete or merge. Minor event that does not appear notable. Could be merged to some bigger article. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:30, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.