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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 16:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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The wp:ja page was recently deleted, citing "non-notable musician". At a glance, the page is filled out, has lots of references, yet is clearly promotional in tone. Two editors having made a huge proportion of the edits are fairly clearly SPA/promotional; one has a username in the Georgian alphabet, currently blocked for paid editing, the other (newer) has a username in the Hebrew alphabet. There is a whole web of articles, including Kentoverse, Loved One (album), All in the Silence, perhaps more. Everything I look at is sourced to blogs, unknown "Awards" sites, and similar ("We sell fame and fortune", one said). Apart from the music, he claims notability as a "European nobleman", but this refers to well-known paid-for bogus titles. There are also plenty of photographs of him "with" various supposedly famous people, but see the deletion discussion for Klaes Nobel. I suggest that anyone wanting to suggest Keep, should start with any single event, album or whatever, and investigate the chain of references. Imaginatorium ( talk) 15:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Japan, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Michitaro, Nuraa.sinora, Loriendrew, Kaori Muraji, and Tal Essen: Pinging other editors who have made significant edits to this or the related article Hiroko Tsuji (musician). Imaginatorium ( talk) 19:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- It seems like Kaori Muraji and Tal Essen are both sockpuppets of Oruguro, who was one of the main editors behind this article: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Orugoro. I thought this article was suspicious from the start, but going through all the "citations" would not be easy. I think it is clear, from searches in Japanese, that there are no reliable sources in Japanese that can be used to prove notability. Michitaro ( talk) 21:56, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for noticing my post from six months ago (
Talk:Kento Masuda#Dubious claim). I do not know the deletion policy of the English Wikipedia, but I'd like to agree with the deletion of this page.
Nuraa.sinora (
talk)
14:11, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hiroko Tsuji (musician) has just been confirmed for the first time. She seems to be the same case as Mr. Masuda, but I will investigate once and write the result in Talk:Hiroko Tsuji (musician). Nuraa.sinora ( talk) 17:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Stubify to borderline delete – I am not even sure where to start on this. Twisted truths fill this article:
- sole player of the one million dollar Crystal Grand Piano: five were made
- nobleman of Europe and Asia: what does this even mean? Appears to be purchased credentials
- a voting member of The Recording Academy: not in source, he may be a member of NARAS like many others, but voting ability is not sourced
- Maestro to the Vatican, UN Ambassador, etc.: all unreliably sourced
- Awards: all but two are non-notable (do not have wiki articles)
- There may be some valid BLP content once all the above-type promotional tone is removed, the glaring MOS issues (flag icons, etc.) and the list of purchased titles and honours is excised. The album articles may not meet NALBUM either, as they are non-charting with only questionably notable awards. What will be left will be very stubby and would barely meet GNG (does not meet
WP:MUSICBIO). May review further in a day or two.--
☾Loriendrew☽
☏(ring-ring)
02:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your contribution. I wasn't sure how to approach this: I could have gone through removing claims one by one until nothing is left, but that is a lot of work. I think in the end it is better to leave the article as is; then editors can try tracking any one of the claims that might look plausible. It appears to me that the whole article has been generated by a bad-faith process; it is not just a few baseless flaky claims, there are chains of references all ending up at paid-for or blog sites. And in the end, if stubified it would just say "Kento Masuda is a Japanese pianist" with no sources, which might lead to endless effort hunting for such sources. Imaginatorium ( talk) 15:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- There may be some valid BLP content once all the above-type promotional tone is removed, the glaring MOS issues (flag icons, etc.) and the list of purchased titles and honours is excised. The album articles may not meet NALBUM either, as they are non-charting with only questionably notable awards. What will be left will be very stubby and would barely meet GNG (does not meet
WP:MUSICBIO). May review further in a day or two.--
☾Loriendrew☽
☏(ring-ring)
02:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. I have reviewed other Wikimedia projects and found a pattern where the articles about Kento Masuda appear to have been created by puppets. This pattern suggests possible promotion efforts, and I understand that this article is in violation of the anti-self-promotion policies. As we have delayed in detecting the problem, following the deletion policy, we should opt for deletion, as per item 8 of the reasons for deletion. Eduardo (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Star Mississippi 16:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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- Kento Masuda ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The wp:ja page was recently deleted, citing "non-notable musician". At a glance, the page is filled out, has lots of references, yet is clearly promotional in tone. Two editors having made a huge proportion of the edits are fairly clearly SPA/promotional; one has a username in the Georgian alphabet, currently blocked for paid editing, the other (newer) has a username in the Hebrew alphabet. There is a whole web of articles, including Kentoverse, Loved One (album), All in the Silence, perhaps more. Everything I look at is sourced to blogs, unknown "Awards" sites, and similar ("We sell fame and fortune", one said). Apart from the music, he claims notability as a "European nobleman", but this refers to well-known paid-for bogus titles. There are also plenty of photographs of him "with" various supposedly famous people, but see the deletion discussion for Klaes Nobel. I suggest that anyone wanting to suggest Keep, should start with any single event, album or whatever, and investigate the chain of references. Imaginatorium ( talk) 15:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Japan, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Michitaro, Nuraa.sinora, Loriendrew, Kaori Muraji, and Tal Essen: Pinging other editors who have made significant edits to this or the related article Hiroko Tsuji (musician). Imaginatorium ( talk) 19:21, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- It seems like Kaori Muraji and Tal Essen are both sockpuppets of Oruguro, who was one of the main editors behind this article: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Orugoro. I thought this article was suspicious from the start, but going through all the "citations" would not be easy. I think it is clear, from searches in Japanese, that there are no reliable sources in Japanese that can be used to prove notability. Michitaro ( talk) 21:56, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for noticing my post from six months ago (
Talk:Kento Masuda#Dubious claim). I do not know the deletion policy of the English Wikipedia, but I'd like to agree with the deletion of this page.
Nuraa.sinora (
talk)
14:11, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hiroko Tsuji (musician) has just been confirmed for the first time. She seems to be the same case as Mr. Masuda, but I will investigate once and write the result in Talk:Hiroko Tsuji (musician). Nuraa.sinora ( talk) 17:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Stubify to borderline delete – I am not even sure where to start on this. Twisted truths fill this article:
- sole player of the one million dollar Crystal Grand Piano: five were made
- nobleman of Europe and Asia: what does this even mean? Appears to be purchased credentials
- a voting member of The Recording Academy: not in source, he may be a member of NARAS like many others, but voting ability is not sourced
- Maestro to the Vatican, UN Ambassador, etc.: all unreliably sourced
- Awards: all but two are non-notable (do not have wiki articles)
- There may be some valid BLP content once all the above-type promotional tone is removed, the glaring MOS issues (flag icons, etc.) and the list of purchased titles and honours is excised. The album articles may not meet NALBUM either, as they are non-charting with only questionably notable awards. What will be left will be very stubby and would barely meet GNG (does not meet
WP:MUSICBIO). May review further in a day or two.--
☾Loriendrew☽
☏(ring-ring)
02:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your contribution. I wasn't sure how to approach this: I could have gone through removing claims one by one until nothing is left, but that is a lot of work. I think in the end it is better to leave the article as is; then editors can try tracking any one of the claims that might look plausible. It appears to me that the whole article has been generated by a bad-faith process; it is not just a few baseless flaky claims, there are chains of references all ending up at paid-for or blog sites. And in the end, if stubified it would just say "Kento Masuda is a Japanese pianist" with no sources, which might lead to endless effort hunting for such sources. Imaginatorium ( talk) 15:38, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- There may be some valid BLP content once all the above-type promotional tone is removed, the glaring MOS issues (flag icons, etc.) and the list of purchased titles and honours is excised. The album articles may not meet NALBUM either, as they are non-charting with only questionably notable awards. What will be left will be very stubby and would barely meet GNG (does not meet
WP:MUSICBIO). May review further in a day or two.--
☾Loriendrew☽
☏(ring-ring)
02:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. I have reviewed other Wikimedia projects and found a pattern where the articles about Kento Masuda appear to have been created by puppets. This pattern suggests possible promotion efforts, and I understand that this article is in violation of the anti-self-promotion policies. As we have delayed in detecting the problem, following the deletion policy, we should opt for deletion, as per item 8 of the reasons for deletion. Eduardo (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.