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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Bungle ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Kamaiu Johnson
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One line article about an American golfer who fails WP:NGOLF. A WP:BEFORE search only brings up articles about his PGA Tour debut being delayed by Covid, and his subsequent debut. A case of WP:TOOSOON. John B123 ( talk) 18:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep - A quick Google News search for "Kamaiu Johnson" shows over a dozen articles granting direct coverage from higher quality outlets. Seems to meet WP:GNG. NickCT ( talk) 19:06, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - per WP:BLP1E/ WP:ONEEVENT. Below the standard of golfer we would normally cover. Seems to be his first OWGR event, only played mini-tours so far. No notable amateur career. Only seems to be notable as he's been given a one-off opportunity to play in a PGA Tour event. Nigej ( talk) 19:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with NickCT, seems to meet WP:GNG, regardless if he's below the standard of golfer we would normally cover. We cover what is covered in sources, of which there are plenty for him. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 20:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- ^^This. I guess I might agree w/ some of the delete folks that this guy might not be notable by WP:NGOLF standards. But GNG trumps NGOLF. NickCT ( talk) 20:54, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- But does he pass BLP1E/NOT? I'm unconvinced there is reason to believe coverage will extend beyond these tour appearances. wjemather please leave a message... 21:17, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Aren't there a lot of golfers who don't get coverage outside tour appearances? NickCT ( talk) 17:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- There are a lot of golfers who do not have articles on Wikipedia. wjemather please leave a message... 18:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ok. Fair enough. But aren't there a lot of golfers on WP that don't get coverage outside tour appearances? NickCT ( talk) 19:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Probably, and some of them possibly don't meet the criteria for standalone articles, but that doesn't help us here. NGOLF specifies a golfer should have played a full season or had exceptional performances at the elite level as a reasonable insurance that coverage will be available over an extended period. GNG is there to catch the rest, subject to other guidelines and policy provisions. wjemather please leave a message... 14:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Not to discredit his golfing abilities but his rags-to-riches background story captures attention and the Google hits prove it. If this article gets dropped it'll be back in short order.-- Hooperbloob ( talk) 15:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, meets notability and does not deserve to be deleted. Alex-h ( talk) 18:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Bungle ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Kamaiu Johnson
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One line article about an American golfer who fails WP:NGOLF. A WP:BEFORE search only brings up articles about his PGA Tour debut being delayed by Covid, and his subsequent debut. A case of WP:TOOSOON. John B123 ( talk) 18:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. John B123 ( talk) 18:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Golf-related deletion discussions. John B123 ( talk) 18:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. John B123 ( talk) 18:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - A quick Google News search for "Kamaiu Johnson" shows over a dozen articles granting direct coverage from higher quality outlets. Seems to meet WP:GNG. NickCT ( talk) 19:06, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - per WP:BLP1E/ WP:ONEEVENT. Below the standard of golfer we would normally cover. Seems to be his first OWGR event, only played mini-tours so far. No notable amateur career. Only seems to be notable as he's been given a one-off opportunity to play in a PGA Tour event. Nigej ( talk) 19:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with NickCT, seems to meet WP:GNG, regardless if he's below the standard of golfer we would normally cover. We cover what is covered in sources, of which there are plenty for him. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 20:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- ^^This. I guess I might agree w/ some of the delete folks that this guy might not be notable by WP:NGOLF standards. But GNG trumps NGOLF. NickCT ( talk) 20:54, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- But does he pass BLP1E/NOT? I'm unconvinced there is reason to believe coverage will extend beyond these tour appearances. wjemather please leave a message... 21:17, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Aren't there a lot of golfers who don't get coverage outside tour appearances? NickCT ( talk) 17:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- There are a lot of golfers who do not have articles on Wikipedia. wjemather please leave a message... 18:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ok. Fair enough. But aren't there a lot of golfers on WP that don't get coverage outside tour appearances? NickCT ( talk) 19:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Probably, and some of them possibly don't meet the criteria for standalone articles, but that doesn't help us here. NGOLF specifies a golfer should have played a full season or had exceptional performances at the elite level as a reasonable insurance that coverage will be available over an extended period. GNG is there to catch the rest, subject to other guidelines and policy provisions. wjemather please leave a message... 14:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Not to discredit his golfing abilities but his rags-to-riches background story captures attention and the Google hits prove it. If this article gets dropped it'll be back in short order.-- Hooperbloob ( talk) 15:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, meets notability and does not deserve to be deleted. Alex-h ( talk) 18:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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