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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 08:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Jim Kelly (athlete)
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I PRODded this, and Guliolopez found some more sources and de-PRODded, which I'm grateful for, because I think that, as edited, this does merit a full discussion. But what it comes down to is: Three sources give between two and three different names for this person, depending how you count it. They are all very very common names in Ireland (in fact, my great-great-uncle was also a John/Sean Kelly). All Wikipedia articles need to be verifiable, and there's just no way to write a verifiable article on someone named either Jim Kelly or John Kelly and/or Sean Kelly when we have very little other information on him. Notability-wise, this is an WP:NOLYMPIC fail, and a GNG fail for the same reasons it's a V fail. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 08:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete (I saw this on Lugnut's page on my watchlist.) The subject is non-medaling and the added sources are just more database sources. Nythar ( 💬- 🎃) 08:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete (Also saw this through Lugnuts) Although the subject is non-medaling the main issue here as the nominator says is verifiability and since this cannot be met the article will fail GNG. Paulpat99 ( talk) 09:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete. (Or perhaps, as a stretch- ATD, redirect to Ireland at the 1924 Summer Olympics). As noted in my de-PROD, it wasn't clear whether the confusion over the subject's name was the cause (or the effect) of the sourcing/SIGCOV issue. Having gone hunting subsequently, I couldn't find much in the way of sources to establish the facts either way. And, while I've added what I could find to the article, its not enough to establish independent notability. In terms of WP:GNG, the only biographical source is this one. Which isn't enough on its own. And the other sources are incidental and don't meet WP:BASIC. As already noted, WP:NOLYMPICS is not met. (Subject reached the semi-finals of the 3000m steeplechase in 1924, but didn't qualify for the final and didn't medal.) While I don't think this was clear-cut enough for a procedural delete, after undertaking my own relatively extensive WP:BEFORE checks, I don't think I can advocate a keep. Not as a standalone article. The only ATD-compromise I can consider is a possible redirect to Ireland at the 1924 Summer Olympics. Guliolopez ( talk) 10:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 08:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Jim Kelly (athlete)
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I PRODded this, and Guliolopez found some more sources and de-PRODded, which I'm grateful for, because I think that, as edited, this does merit a full discussion. But what it comes down to is: Three sources give between two and three different names for this person, depending how you count it. They are all very very common names in Ireland (in fact, my great-great-uncle was also a John/Sean Kelly). All Wikipedia articles need to be verifiable, and there's just no way to write a verifiable article on someone named either Jim Kelly or John Kelly and/or Sean Kelly when we have very little other information on him. Notability-wise, this is an WP:NOLYMPIC fail, and a GNG fail for the same reasons it's a V fail. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 08:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Ireland. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 08:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete (I saw this on Lugnut's page on my watchlist.) The subject is non-medaling and the added sources are just more database sources. Nythar ( 💬- 🎃) 08:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete (Also saw this through Lugnuts) Although the subject is non-medaling the main issue here as the nominator says is verifiability and since this cannot be met the article will fail GNG. Paulpat99 ( talk) 09:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete. (Or perhaps, as a stretch- ATD, redirect to Ireland at the 1924 Summer Olympics). As noted in my de-PROD, it wasn't clear whether the confusion over the subject's name was the cause (or the effect) of the sourcing/SIGCOV issue. Having gone hunting subsequently, I couldn't find much in the way of sources to establish the facts either way. And, while I've added what I could find to the article, its not enough to establish independent notability. In terms of WP:GNG, the only biographical source is this one. Which isn't enough on its own. And the other sources are incidental and don't meet WP:BASIC. As already noted, WP:NOLYMPICS is not met. (Subject reached the semi-finals of the 3000m steeplechase in 1924, but didn't qualify for the final and didn't medal.) While I don't think this was clear-cut enough for a procedural delete, after undertaking my own relatively extensive WP:BEFORE checks, I don't think I can advocate a keep. Not as a standalone article. The only ATD-compromise I can consider is a possible redirect to Ireland at the 1924 Summer Olympics. Guliolopez ( talk) 10:07, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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