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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 10:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Jacob Hansen
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Doesn't seem to meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. BuySomeApples ( talk) 02:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Well if one of the best metal producers in the world who is a Grammy award nominated and has produced for the biggest metal band in the world and you said that doesn’t seem to meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG please tell me who meets those, I believe this is just being vandalised by User:BuySomeApples, I request the closure of this conversation and remove the deletion tag as this is nonsense. Punk Rock London ( talk) 02:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @
Punk Rock London: if you click on the links to those guidelines, they explain them in a bit more depth. Basically, the page would need more sources to verify his notability, either by discussing him/his career in depth and/or by verifying that he meets one of the special notability criteria for musical artists. For example, even a couple of articles from reliable, independent sources would help get this over the threshold.
BuySomeApples (
talk)
02:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Okay he is the only producer of a band called
Amaranthe who has thousands of reliable independent sources as he has produced every single song of the band.
Punk Rock London (
talk)
02:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, information could be added to the Amaranthe page. Otherwise, his notability as an individual would have to be established. The guideline pages do a better job of explaining than I could, and would probably save you time in the long run.
BuySomeApples (
talk)
03:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- He’s in the Amaranthe page, You can see every album and any music realised has his name as producer
Amaranthe (album) please check it out, Many thanks.
Punk Rock London (
talk)
11:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- @ Punk Rock London: That's great! He should definitely be included on the Amaranthe page for a start. Right now, this AfD is to determine whether he should also have a standalone page. Some musicians are notable only for their work with certain groups, and some are notable enough to need a page just about them as individuals. BuySomeApples ( talk) 17:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- He’s in the Amaranthe page, You can see every album and any music realised has his name as producer
Amaranthe (album) please check it out, Many thanks.
Punk Rock London (
talk)
11:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, information could be added to the Amaranthe page. Otherwise, his notability as an individual would have to be established. The guideline pages do a better job of explaining than I could, and would probably save you time in the long run.
BuySomeApples (
talk)
03:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Okay he is the only producer of a band called
Amaranthe who has thousands of reliable independent sources as he has produced every single song of the band.
Punk Rock London (
talk)
02:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @
Punk Rock London: if you click on the links to those guidelines, they explain them in a bit more depth. Basically, the page would need more sources to verify his notability, either by discussing him/his career in depth and/or by verifying that he meets one of the special notability criteria for musical artists. For example, even a couple of articles from reliable, independent sources would help get this over the threshold.
BuySomeApples (
talk)
02:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, and Denmark. Skynxnex ( talk) 04:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. For starters, we have [1] as well as shorter, but informative pieces in [2], [3]. Hansen also released a minimum of two albums with each of the bands Invocator, Pyramaze, Anubis Gate and Beyond Twilight - performing both vocals, guitar, bass and drums interchangeably - so his musical abilities will have been assessed in album reviews of those bands. Geschichte ( talk) 08:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Invocator. Just about every source on Hansen describes him as "Grammy nominated" but that stretches the truth and is probably the result of dishonest press releases. The connection is actually via his band Invocator, who were nominated for a Danish Grammy in 1991. Therefore Hansen is not directly "Grammy nominated" himself, and I suspect that his publicity announcements are trying to imply a more prestigious American Grammy nomination. Meanwhile, this article strangely omits the fact that he achieved most of his media notice as a member of Invocator for the past 36 years. He obviously works as a producer too, but in that field he gets the notice that a typical producer gets: credits on other people's albums and occasional interviews that talk about those albums (e.g. [4]). His career as a producer is already mentioned at Invocator's article and that is sufficient. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. He definitely meets all the requirements as the bands that he produced for are really important Punk Rock London ( talk) 18:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- There are articles in Danish, German and Slovak. (I've just linked them.) They cite a German
Rock Hard magazine article about Hansen (Frank Albrecht. "Der Produzent: Jacob Hansen". Rock Hard, August 2008, page 27).
Moreover, he is "a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles" (see WP:MUSICBIO #6).
I am not voting "keep" only because of paid editing concerns. (See User talk:Punk Rock London#December 2023 2. I don't think the user could have been paid for bad artices like the ones he created, but still...)
Btw, the Danish, German and Slovak articles look the same, but they were created by different people. It looks like the German article was created first (in 2009), and several years later it was translated to Danish and expanded, and then the Danish article was translated to Slovak. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 13:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Metal Production of the Year: VOLBEAT/Jacob Hansen (producer) – "Guitar Gangsters & Cadillac Blood" (Danish Metal Awards 2008) -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 14:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Keep. I've decided to vote. Notable enough for me. And he has three Danish Metal Awards. (See that Danish Wikipedia article.) And he "has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles". -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 14:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 10:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Jacob Hansen
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- Jacob Hansen ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't seem to meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. BuySomeApples ( talk) 02:17, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Well if one of the best metal producers in the world who is a Grammy award nominated and has produced for the biggest metal band in the world and you said that doesn’t seem to meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG please tell me who meets those, I believe this is just being vandalised by User:BuySomeApples, I request the closure of this conversation and remove the deletion tag as this is nonsense. Punk Rock London ( talk) 02:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @
Punk Rock London: if you click on the links to those guidelines, they explain them in a bit more depth. Basically, the page would need more sources to verify his notability, either by discussing him/his career in depth and/or by verifying that he meets one of the special notability criteria for musical artists. For example, even a couple of articles from reliable, independent sources would help get this over the threshold.
BuySomeApples (
talk)
02:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Okay he is the only producer of a band called
Amaranthe who has thousands of reliable independent sources as he has produced every single song of the band.
Punk Rock London (
talk)
02:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, information could be added to the Amaranthe page. Otherwise, his notability as an individual would have to be established. The guideline pages do a better job of explaining than I could, and would probably save you time in the long run.
BuySomeApples (
talk)
03:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- He’s in the Amaranthe page, You can see every album and any music realised has his name as producer
Amaranthe (album) please check it out, Many thanks.
Punk Rock London (
talk)
11:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- @ Punk Rock London: That's great! He should definitely be included on the Amaranthe page for a start. Right now, this AfD is to determine whether he should also have a standalone page. Some musicians are notable only for their work with certain groups, and some are notable enough to need a page just about them as individuals. BuySomeApples ( talk) 17:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- He’s in the Amaranthe page, You can see every album and any music realised has his name as producer
Amaranthe (album) please check it out, Many thanks.
Punk Rock London (
talk)
11:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, information could be added to the Amaranthe page. Otherwise, his notability as an individual would have to be established. The guideline pages do a better job of explaining than I could, and would probably save you time in the long run.
BuySomeApples (
talk)
03:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Okay he is the only producer of a band called
Amaranthe who has thousands of reliable independent sources as he has produced every single song of the band.
Punk Rock London (
talk)
02:49, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @
Punk Rock London: if you click on the links to those guidelines, they explain them in a bit more depth. Basically, the page would need more sources to verify his notability, either by discussing him/his career in depth and/or by verifying that he meets one of the special notability criteria for musical artists. For example, even a couple of articles from reliable, independent sources would help get this over the threshold.
BuySomeApples (
talk)
02:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, and Denmark. Skynxnex ( talk) 04:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. For starters, we have [1] as well as shorter, but informative pieces in [2], [3]. Hansen also released a minimum of two albums with each of the bands Invocator, Pyramaze, Anubis Gate and Beyond Twilight - performing both vocals, guitar, bass and drums interchangeably - so his musical abilities will have been assessed in album reviews of those bands. Geschichte ( talk) 08:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Invocator. Just about every source on Hansen describes him as "Grammy nominated" but that stretches the truth and is probably the result of dishonest press releases. The connection is actually via his band Invocator, who were nominated for a Danish Grammy in 1991. Therefore Hansen is not directly "Grammy nominated" himself, and I suspect that his publicity announcements are trying to imply a more prestigious American Grammy nomination. Meanwhile, this article strangely omits the fact that he achieved most of his media notice as a member of Invocator for the past 36 years. He obviously works as a producer too, but in that field he gets the notice that a typical producer gets: credits on other people's albums and occasional interviews that talk about those albums (e.g. [4]). His career as a producer is already mentioned at Invocator's article and that is sufficient. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. He definitely meets all the requirements as the bands that he produced for are really important Punk Rock London ( talk) 18:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- There are articles in Danish, German and Slovak. (I've just linked them.) They cite a German
Rock Hard magazine article about Hansen (Frank Albrecht. "Der Produzent: Jacob Hansen". Rock Hard, August 2008, page 27).
Moreover, he is "a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles" (see WP:MUSICBIO #6).
I am not voting "keep" only because of paid editing concerns. (See User talk:Punk Rock London#December 2023 2. I don't think the user could have been paid for bad artices like the ones he created, but still...)
Btw, the Danish, German and Slovak articles look the same, but they were created by different people. It looks like the German article was created first (in 2009), and several years later it was translated to Danish and expanded, and then the Danish article was translated to Slovak. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 13:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Metal Production of the Year: VOLBEAT/Jacob Hansen (producer) – "Guitar Gangsters & Cadillac Blood" (Danish Metal Awards 2008) -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 14:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Keep. I've decided to vote. Notable enough for me. And he has three Danish Metal Awards. (See that Danish Wikipedia article.) And he "has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles". -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 14:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.