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The result was redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
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Notability is not inherited, so he's not simply notable because of his notable father. He's also not notable as a footballer, as he's never played in a competitive, senior match for a fully professional club. He's ALSO not notable for any other reason, as demonstrated by the lack of non-routine coverage in reliable, third-party sources. Fails both WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. – Pee Jay 15:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
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- Weak keep seems to pass GNG despite clearly failing NFOOTY.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 16:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep (as article creator) - clearly meets GNG per Guardian and BBC Sport references. NFOOTY is irrelevant in this case SK2242 ( talk) 18:19, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - no, does not meet GNG. All sources are routine news. Giant Snowman 08:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- so player signings and international call ups are now routine?
SK2242 (
talk)
00:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Have they ever not been? JoelleJay ( talk) 01:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- so player signings and international call ups are now routine?
SK2242 (
talk)
00:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life, where his embryonic career is mentioned; he's a plausible search term. The sources currently in the article don't constitute anything like a GNG pass: their content is basically son of well-known football figure joins academy, son of well-known football figure signs pro forms, Ireland pick U19 team including son of well-known football figure. The Guardian and one of the BBC pieces are puffed out with the same lengthy quotes from justifiably proud daddy, and all have more about the notable family members than about Harvey. I can't find any RS with in-depth coverage of Harvey himself at all. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- I think you’re stretching this; the articles provide SIGCOV of Harvey and that’s that really. This doesn’t fall under WP:NCORP where the standards are clearly higher to keep out nn spam. SK2242 ( talk) 00:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 22:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 22:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect, per Struway2. Notability is not inherited; coverage needs to be direct and in depth. JoelleJay ( talk) 01:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life as per all above. CeltJungleSnake ( talk) 08:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life. There's not enough significant coverage to guarantee the article of it's own. Less Unless ( talk) 13:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life as per Struway2 explained above. Poppified talk 06:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life as all above. Riteboke ( talk) 06:56, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
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Notability is not inherited, so he's not simply notable because of his notable father. He's also not notable as a footballer, as he's never played in a competitive, senior match for a fully professional club. He's ALSO not notable for any other reason, as demonstrated by the lack of non-routine coverage in reliable, third-party sources. Fails both WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. – Pee Jay 15:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
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- Weak keep seems to pass GNG despite clearly failing NFOOTY.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 16:26, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. EpicPupper 16:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep (as article creator) - clearly meets GNG per Guardian and BBC Sport references. NFOOTY is irrelevant in this case SK2242 ( talk) 18:19, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - no, does not meet GNG. All sources are routine news. Giant Snowman 08:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- so player signings and international call ups are now routine?
SK2242 (
talk)
00:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Have they ever not been? JoelleJay ( talk) 01:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- so player signings and international call ups are now routine?
SK2242 (
talk)
00:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life, where his embryonic career is mentioned; he's a plausible search term. The sources currently in the article don't constitute anything like a GNG pass: their content is basically son of well-known football figure joins academy, son of well-known football figure signs pro forms, Ireland pick U19 team including son of well-known football figure. The Guardian and one of the BBC pieces are puffed out with the same lengthy quotes from justifiably proud daddy, and all have more about the notable family members than about Harvey. I can't find any RS with in-depth coverage of Harvey himself at all. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- I think you’re stretching this; the articles provide SIGCOV of Harvey and that’s that really. This doesn’t fall under WP:NCORP where the standards are clearly higher to keep out nn spam. SK2242 ( talk) 00:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 22:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 22:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect, per Struway2. Notability is not inherited; coverage needs to be direct and in depth. JoelleJay ( talk) 01:22, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life as per all above. CeltJungleSnake ( talk) 08:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life. There's not enough significant coverage to guarantee the article of it's own. Less Unless ( talk) 13:11, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life as per Struway2 explained above. Poppified talk 06:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phil Neville#Personal life as all above. Riteboke ( talk) 06:56, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.