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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:56, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Hans Heller
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Only source here is a YouTube video. A BEFORE search doesn't turn up much, and definitely not enough for notability to be established. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 06:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, and Germany. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 06:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Keep Once again a very lacking WP:BEFORE although this may have been hindered by inaccuracies in the article (Heller's full name, date of birth etc were wrong). There are also many discrepancies in sources about Heller - I've seen three different DoBs in sources and a New York Times article talks about him being interned in France in 1940 despite moving to the US in 1938. Regardless of this, he received an obituary in The New York Times as well as an entry in Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. An NYT obit and listing in a major encyclopaedic work (now added with other sources to the article) are enough to pass GNG. @ Mako001: do you want to withdraw the nom to lighten the admin load?Vladimir.copic ( talk) 00:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)- @
Vladimir.copic: Are you totally sure you have the correct Hans Heller? There is more than one Hans Heller who was a composer, but one died in Berlin and the other in Queens. This one died in Berlin. I'd like to confirm this before withdrawing the nom, I did find stuff for Hans Heller, but for the other one.
Mako001
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11:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah I think I’ve got confused here. There seem to be two Hans Hellers who were composers with similar lives and died in the same year. The article is now a confusion of the two. It looks to me that Hans Hermann Israel Heller does not meet GNG but Hans Ewald Heller does meet GNG. Not sure the best way to proceed now.
Vladimir.copic (
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12:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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Vladimir.copic: Probably pull everything you'd added about Hans E. Heller to a new draft or article about Hans Ewald Heller and delete this one? This would avoid (inadvertently) hijacking the article. I'd agree that Hans Ewald Heller seems to be notable, but since this was originally about Hans H.I. Heller, it should be deleted.
Mako001
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05:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Amending my vote to Delete. Previous vote was due to confusion with Hans Ewald Heller. I cannot find significant coverage that justifies GNG for Hans Hermann Israel Heller. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 23:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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Vladimir.copic: Probably pull everything you'd added about Hans E. Heller to a new draft or article about Hans Ewald Heller and delete this one? This would avoid (inadvertently) hijacking the article. I'd agree that Hans Ewald Heller seems to be notable, but since this was originally about Hans H.I. Heller, it should be deleted.
Mako001
(C)
(T) 🇺🇦
05:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah I think I’ve got confused here. There seem to be two Hans Hellers who were composers with similar lives and died in the same year. The article is now a confusion of the two. It looks to me that Hans Hermann Israel Heller does not meet GNG but Hans Ewald Heller does meet GNG. Not sure the best way to proceed now.
Vladimir.copic (
talk)
12:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @
Vladimir.copic: Are you totally sure you have the correct Hans Heller? There is more than one Hans Heller who was a composer, but one died in Berlin and the other in Queens. This one died in Berlin. I'd like to confirm this before withdrawing the nom, I did find stuff for Hans Heller, but for the other one.
Mako001
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(T) 🇺🇦
11:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I think Vladimir.copic has cleared things up, and thanks to him for developing the new article for Hans Ewald Heller. As for this Hans Heller, he has an interesting story if it's true, but I suspect that the article was an attempt to promote the recent musicology effort to rediscover his long-lost music. The problem is that the rest of the world has not noticed, and until that happens it is an esoteric project without encyclopedic value here. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 14:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 04:56, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Hans Heller
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Only source here is a YouTube video. A BEFORE search doesn't turn up much, and definitely not enough for notability to be established. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 06:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, and Germany. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 06:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Keep Once again a very lacking WP:BEFORE although this may have been hindered by inaccuracies in the article (Heller's full name, date of birth etc were wrong). There are also many discrepancies in sources about Heller - I've seen three different DoBs in sources and a New York Times article talks about him being interned in France in 1940 despite moving to the US in 1938. Regardless of this, he received an obituary in The New York Times as well as an entry in Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. An NYT obit and listing in a major encyclopaedic work (now added with other sources to the article) are enough to pass GNG. @ Mako001: do you want to withdraw the nom to lighten the admin load?Vladimir.copic ( talk) 00:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)- @
Vladimir.copic: Are you totally sure you have the correct Hans Heller? There is more than one Hans Heller who was a composer, but one died in Berlin and the other in Queens. This one died in Berlin. I'd like to confirm this before withdrawing the nom, I did find stuff for Hans Heller, but for the other one.
Mako001
(C)
(T) 🇺🇦
11:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah I think I’ve got confused here. There seem to be two Hans Hellers who were composers with similar lives and died in the same year. The article is now a confusion of the two. It looks to me that Hans Hermann Israel Heller does not meet GNG but Hans Ewald Heller does meet GNG. Not sure the best way to proceed now.
Vladimir.copic (
talk)
12:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @
Vladimir.copic: Probably pull everything you'd added about Hans E. Heller to a new draft or article about Hans Ewald Heller and delete this one? This would avoid (inadvertently) hijacking the article. I'd agree that Hans Ewald Heller seems to be notable, but since this was originally about Hans H.I. Heller, it should be deleted.
Mako001
(C)
(T) 🇺🇦
05:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Amending my vote to Delete. Previous vote was due to confusion with Hans Ewald Heller. I cannot find significant coverage that justifies GNG for Hans Hermann Israel Heller. Vladimir.copic ( talk) 23:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- @
Vladimir.copic: Probably pull everything you'd added about Hans E. Heller to a new draft or article about Hans Ewald Heller and delete this one? This would avoid (inadvertently) hijacking the article. I'd agree that Hans Ewald Heller seems to be notable, but since this was originally about Hans H.I. Heller, it should be deleted.
Mako001
(C)
(T) 🇺🇦
05:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah I think I’ve got confused here. There seem to be two Hans Hellers who were composers with similar lives and died in the same year. The article is now a confusion of the two. It looks to me that Hans Hermann Israel Heller does not meet GNG but Hans Ewald Heller does meet GNG. Not sure the best way to proceed now.
Vladimir.copic (
talk)
12:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @
Vladimir.copic: Are you totally sure you have the correct Hans Heller? There is more than one Hans Heller who was a composer, but one died in Berlin and the other in Queens. This one died in Berlin. I'd like to confirm this before withdrawing the nom, I did find stuff for Hans Heller, but for the other one.
Mako001
(C)
(T) 🇺🇦
11:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I think Vladimir.copic has cleared things up, and thanks to him for developing the new article for Hans Ewald Heller. As for this Hans Heller, he has an interesting story if it's true, but I suspect that the article was an attempt to promote the recent musicology effort to rediscover his long-lost music. The problem is that the rest of the world has not noticed, and until that happens it is an esoteric project without encyclopedic value here. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 14:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.