The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Haile Quarry site. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC) reply

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This appears to be a rail point serving a group of quarries, not a community of any kind. Mangoe ( talk) 03:48, 6 June 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Florida. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:12, 6 June 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete per WP:V and WP:GEOLAND. There is no good evidence the place exists, the only source cited isn't reliable and is probably just repeating data from GNIS, which isn't reliable for these purposes. GEOLAND only gives near-automatic notability to legally recognised populated places, an unincorporated community would have to pass the general notability guideline, and this one clearly doesn't. Hut 8.5 17:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC) reply
• Well hang on here - there are two pictures in the article of people clearly at a Haile station. Have we done any sort of historical research to see if there was a little community next to the mine? The information can probably be merged into Newberry, Florida, but the difference between this and all of the other junk GNIS articles are the two photos clearly showing people at the place. SportingFlyer T· C 20:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC) reply

We've deleted articles before with pictures of stations, because they don't imply that there is anything there but a station. And there were many, many such p\laces back in the day, for reasons that had to do with rail operations. Mangoe ( talk) 21:50, 6 June 2023 (UTC) reply

That wasn't actually my question, but that's fine. The quarries appear relatively significant geologically - is there any place this can be merged for historical reasons? Maybe Newberry? SportingFlyer T· C 22:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC) reply

I think the photos could be moved to Brooker Subdivision. It seems to be the best fit. – The Grid ( talk) 13:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC) reply

There's currently no commons category for the Brooker Subdivision. I can create one, but more people will have to add images to it. --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 22:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC) reply

• Merge with Newberry - There is visual evidence it exists. Click on the coordinates under the Geography section. Haile pulls up on Google maps, Bing maps, etc. It's a real place. On the maps, it's on the other side of the highway from Newberry. Close enough to be merged, I think. — Maile ( talk) 00:10, 7 June 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete - We have no evidence that this was ever anything more than a train station, no SIGCOV to justify a standalone article and I'm not finding anything in my searches. I considered merging as an ATD but we don't even have reliable sourcing to say what this place even was. – dlthewave ☎ 15:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC) reply

• Question - Do we have any evidence the community is tied to the Haile Plantation or perhaps some family member associated with it? I know that CSX and many of it's predecessors acknowledges the community's existence, so I'm open to a merger. --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 17:42, 12 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • UPDATE - Found two pieces of evidence. One is on this Atlantic Coast Line Railroad schedule and the other is on this map. --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 18:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC) reply
  • UPDATE Number 2 - At least one business has named itself after the community. It's a zipline-type recreational park. --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 05:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC) reply
    • Forgive me, but isn't the zipline named after a quarry? – dlthewave ☎ 12:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC) reply
      • The zip line is named after the quarry. [1] -- A. B. ^{( talk • contribs • global count)} 02:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply
        • I'm sorry, but I don't see any indication that the zip lien company was named after the quarry in that article. Even if this were the case, it would seem more plausible for the quarry to be named after the community (whatever has existed of it in the past), and or the Haile family. If anything, I'd prever a redirect over deletion. --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 18:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

          DanTD, see this NPR article: https://www.wuft.org/news/2023/03/02/zip-line-at-haile-quarry-hopes-to-create-economic-growth/

          • I read the article. I saw nothing in there indicating that the zipline was named after the quarry. --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 21:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

          Also, I'm recommending redirection, just to our quarry article, not Newberry.-- A. B. ^{( talk • contribs • global count)} 19:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Haile,_Florida and @ A. B.:'s note introducing a third potential target, I'm reopening this to see if a consensus can form among those options for a target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 13:06, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

• Strong delete and redirect to Haile Quarry site.

This is what I was writing to post as Star Mississippi was closing this AfD. Because of the edit conflict, I added it to the talk page:

The quarry is located where the town supposedly exists or existed. The quarry is notable because of the significant fossil finds made there. [2] [3]. Using the coordinates from the article, Google Earth put the location of the town at the quarry's main entrance. There is nothing else there - no homes, stores, etc. I suspect that the Haile railroad stop was for the quarry. The only reference is hometownlocator.com which looks very low quality - probably a machine-created page based on scraping some database. The article was created in 2008 by User:Averette, a talented, prolific Florida content-creator and Florida man who was sadly later indeff'd following a fight over a Cuban sandwich in 2019.

-- A. B. ^{( talk • contribs • global count)} 15:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

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• Just to be clear, I showed evidence in the form of maps and train schedules of the past proving the existence of Haile, Florida as more than just a small train platform, and yet the primary reason you're dismissing it is because the creator of the article got in a fight over Cuban sandwiches? On the other hand, many of the maps I've seen of Newberry show their territory as being expanded into Haile, so I can go with redirecting until more details can be found. --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 21:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply

• Delete and redirect, per above. Existing as a locatable named object on a map is not a notability criterion, else we would have articles on millions of "places". Having a train station or any other business is also not sufficient. JoelleJay ( talk) 22:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Haile Quarry site per A.B. and JoelleJay. No need to delete first, just a redirect is appropriate. Frank Anchor 02:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to Haile Quarry site, but I urge more research on the existence of Haile as a community. Those who reject the idea that a map is evidence should know that there are maps indicating the existence of the community dating back to at least 1902 *(two of them actually). The quarries that have existed there throughout the 20th Century have changed sizes and locations, which anybody can find if they look up the place on the Historic Aerials website, though not many are old enough to show evidence of a community. The place could've been a genuine community, or it could've been a turpentine village before all the quarries. We don't know. I also reject the prevailing idea that "it's just a train station" that so many users keep throwing around. No railroad builds a train station anywhere unless they either want to start something around it, or they want a community of any kind to be able to use it. Just because the only photographs we have are of the train station, doesn't mean it was just a train station. --------- User:DanTD ( talk) 12:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.