- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. If notable this can be recreated from reliable sourcing but there is clear consensus this isn't salvageable so putting it in draft would be a bad start. Spartaz Humbug! 19:33, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- GONN ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
All of the sources are just the band's own material or other primary sources. The hall of fame into which they were inducted is not a notable entity. Searching for "Gonn" + various members or "Gonn" + "Blackout of Gretely" turned up nothing whatsoever on GNews, GBooks, World Radio History, or Newspapers.com. This article is so overblown in making the band seem way more active than it is that if I'm in the wrong about their notability, WP:TNT would be required. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 23:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Iowa. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 23:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, there's a lot of sound here, but it doesn't really say much at all. I can't find any independent sources referring to any of this - the song crops up frequently, but there's no discussion or analysis surrounding it. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) 18:02, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - besides the Iowa R&R HOF, which isn't notable but I have no reason to believe unreliable, there's significant coverage in a foreign language in
this book, and coverage in the following books from the Internet Archive:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5].
[6] seems to indicate the band had some substantial influence, plus additional coverage
[7].
78.26 (
spin me /
revolutions)
03:21, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- My browser hangs when I try to load those. Could you please add those to the article? Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 15:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- PS: I agree with TPH that the article is overblown, and needs trimming to what meets WP:V and is of encyclopedic value. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 03:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 15:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Nom: The notability of a subject is not advanced through blogs. Rather a large amount of content for blogs likely means the article is currently sourced through sites in the "External links". The first source I checked (google.de/books/edition/Garage_rock) splashed that I have reached the end of the viewing. When notability is questioned there is a misconception that splashing a lot of sources like "significant coverage in a foreign language" satisfies sourcing requirement. I see this all the time.
WP:BURDEN states:
All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an WP:inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution.
We could tag the article and every line, fill the article up with tags, then start deleting unsourced material, if that is deemed a better direction --- or --- someone with more interest could jump in a perform a HEY. The other option is to delete this mess and maybe someone later may find sources to advance notability and put them in the article so the information can be verified as also not being original research copyright issues, or plagiarism. How about this; " Lenny Kaye told Craig Moore in person at a Patti Smith Group concert that "Blackout of Gretely" would have been included on the original Nuggets#1: Original Artyfacts From The First Psychedelic Era 1965-1968 double LP in 1972 except that it was too long." This looks suspiciously like unsourced quoting being reworded and only supported by "Rex Garrett's comments, liner notes, Gonn with the Wind". Mr. Garrett's possibly having directly heard the conversation between Lenny Kaye and Craig Moore does not mean it is applicable to be a reliable source. Although the talk page is missing the template it should be noted that the article in BLP related (a lot of names are used in the article and some are likely still living) which means we should err on the side of requiring the proper sourcing on the article and not a talk page or an AFD discussion to be filed away by time. -- Otr500 ( talk) 20:47, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Convert to draft per 78.26’s comment. While I’m unable to check their archive links atm, but they should be enough for notability. But of course having an article in this sorry state in the mainspace isn’t ideal, so it should get turned into a draft until its problems are solved MRN2electricboogaloo ( talk) 19:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. If notable this can be recreated from reliable sourcing but there is clear consensus this isn't salvageable so putting it in draft would be a bad start. Spartaz Humbug! 19:33, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- GONN ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
All of the sources are just the band's own material or other primary sources. The hall of fame into which they were inducted is not a notable entity. Searching for "Gonn" + various members or "Gonn" + "Blackout of Gretely" turned up nothing whatsoever on GNews, GBooks, World Radio History, or Newspapers.com. This article is so overblown in making the band seem way more active than it is that if I'm in the wrong about their notability, WP:TNT would be required. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 23:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Iowa. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 23:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, there's a lot of sound here, but it doesn't really say much at all. I can't find any independent sources referring to any of this - the song crops up frequently, but there's no discussion or analysis surrounding it. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) 18:02, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - besides the Iowa R&R HOF, which isn't notable but I have no reason to believe unreliable, there's significant coverage in a foreign language in
this book, and coverage in the following books from the Internet Archive:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5].
[6] seems to indicate the band had some substantial influence, plus additional coverage
[7].
78.26 (
spin me /
revolutions)
03:21, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- My browser hangs when I try to load those. Could you please add those to the article? Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 15:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- PS: I agree with TPH that the article is overblown, and needs trimming to what meets WP:V and is of encyclopedic value. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 03:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 15:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Nom: The notability of a subject is not advanced through blogs. Rather a large amount of content for blogs likely means the article is currently sourced through sites in the "External links". The first source I checked (google.de/books/edition/Garage_rock) splashed that I have reached the end of the viewing. When notability is questioned there is a misconception that splashing a lot of sources like "significant coverage in a foreign language" satisfies sourcing requirement. I see this all the time.
WP:BURDEN states:
All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an WP:inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution.
We could tag the article and every line, fill the article up with tags, then start deleting unsourced material, if that is deemed a better direction --- or --- someone with more interest could jump in a perform a HEY. The other option is to delete this mess and maybe someone later may find sources to advance notability and put them in the article so the information can be verified as also not being original research copyright issues, or plagiarism. How about this; " Lenny Kaye told Craig Moore in person at a Patti Smith Group concert that "Blackout of Gretely" would have been included on the original Nuggets#1: Original Artyfacts From The First Psychedelic Era 1965-1968 double LP in 1972 except that it was too long." This looks suspiciously like unsourced quoting being reworded and only supported by "Rex Garrett's comments, liner notes, Gonn with the Wind". Mr. Garrett's possibly having directly heard the conversation between Lenny Kaye and Craig Moore does not mean it is applicable to be a reliable source. Although the talk page is missing the template it should be noted that the article in BLP related (a lot of names are used in the article and some are likely still living) which means we should err on the side of requiring the proper sourcing on the article and not a talk page or an AFD discussion to be filed away by time. -- Otr500 ( talk) 20:47, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Convert to draft per 78.26’s comment. While I’m unable to check their archive links atm, but they should be enough for notability. But of course having an article in this sorry state in the mainspace isn’t ideal, so it should get turned into a draft until its problems are solved MRN2electricboogaloo ( talk) 19:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.