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The result was keep. Editors wanting to merge with the list article can continue making the case for that on the article talk page. But deletion is clearly not the outcome here. Haukur ( talk) 09:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Forky
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Apparently non-notable minor character. I redirected it to List of Toy Story characters but was reverted; I believe that's still a viable alternative to deletion. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 09:06, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep Forky in Toy Story 4 is not a minor character, he is a major character that needs Woody help.-- Hong Kong Ian ( talk) 09:17, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin: Hong Kong Ian ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 02:37, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, the redirect was appropriate. The article is sourced to a fandom wiki and promotional material. Citing ( talk) 17:16, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep The nomination talks of redirection and alternatives to deletion and so is not appropriate for AfD. Its claim that the character is minor and non-notable is quite wrong as it was the lead in the latest movie and now has its own spin-off show on Disney +, as reported by a variety of sources. Andrew D. ( talk) 23:11, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Toy Story characters. Only one GNG source. FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 23:58, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Per WP:NEXIST, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". It is quite easy to find more sources about the topic including the following. Given the nature of the coverge, it's quite ironic that the character should be brought to AfD to be thrown in the trash. Andrew D. ( talk) 10:14, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable character per mentioned sources (and NEXIST), so keep per Andrew D. and HK Ian. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 12:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Toy Story 4 or the character list. For one shot movie characters, such sources as the above belong in the movie article itself. TTN ( talk) 14:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep per Andrew Davidson. If the nominator believes that a redirect is the correct WP:ATD then they should pursue that through discussion on the talk page, not attempt an end run by bringing it to AFD. Hug syrup 16:13, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I'm generally skeptical of character based articles, but there was definitely Forky related coverage from RS after Toy Story 4 (e.g. [1]) and now that he's going to have his own series I think there's more than enough evidence of lasting notability for an article. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:55, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Clicking the news search at the top of the AFD I find ample reliable sources talking about this character. Disney is giving him a series of shorts as well, I just adding brief mention of that to the article. The sources found by Andrew Davidson above prove the character easily passes the general notability guidelines. Dream Focus 02:21, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: the character appears to have received a significant amount of coverage from third-party, reliable sources about his appearance in Toy Story 4 and his future show on Disney+. I disagree with FoxyGrampa75 and Citing because the status of the article itself is not relevant. The article definitely needs a lot of work, but the state of an article is not a strong argument. It should be more focused on whether or not it meets WP:GNG, i.e. if significant coverage can be proven. Aoba47 ( talk) 18:03, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect To List of Toy Story characters. Fails WP:SUSTAINED and is not individually notable. Andrew D typically looks for any source that could possibly be presented, no matter how unreliable or tenuous, and this discussion is no exception. Upon close inspection, they still do not merit the existence of a standalone article. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 19:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: main character in high profile film. Fulfils GNG as there'll be sources. Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 11:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- @ Casliber: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Saying that sources will exist does not fulfill GNG. FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 23:55, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- Merge or redirect: into the
List of Toy Story characters, per >
ZXCVBNM comment's regarding the sustainability of a stand-alone article. The character itself has not managed to get deep coverage by reliable secondary sources and impact in popular culture. The sources presented in the article can fit perfectly into the List of characters (and are necessary for referencing statements). --
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۞pεth 20:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- Citations don't seem to be much of a priority for the characters with text on the list at the moment. More seriously, I think what distinguishes Forky from those characters is A)existing coverage on creation (there's no "Rex has Haunting Implications for our knowledge about Dinosaurs" that I'm aware of) and B)his being the lead in his own animated series. This second point is a bit speculative, but to me addresses the sustained elements (at the moment) that would make me otherwise skeptical about notability just based on the (substantial) coverage from Toy Story 4. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 20:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: In my opinion is relevant enough to have its own page and also will have its own series called Forky Asks a Question on Disney+. -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 17:30, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Editors wanting to merge with the list article can continue making the case for that on the article talk page. But deletion is clearly not the outcome here. Haukur ( talk) 09:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Forky
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Apparently non-notable minor character. I redirected it to List of Toy Story characters but was reverted; I believe that's still a viable alternative to deletion. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 09:06, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 09:06, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 09:06, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Andrew D. ( talk) 10:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Forky in Toy Story 4 is not a minor character, he is a major character that needs Woody help.-- Hong Kong Ian ( talk) 09:17, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin: Hong Kong Ian ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 02:37, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, the redirect was appropriate. The article is sourced to a fandom wiki and promotional material. Citing ( talk) 17:16, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep The nomination talks of redirection and alternatives to deletion and so is not appropriate for AfD. Its claim that the character is minor and non-notable is quite wrong as it was the lead in the latest movie and now has its own spin-off show on Disney +, as reported by a variety of sources. Andrew D. ( talk) 23:11, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Toy Story characters. Only one GNG source. FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 23:58, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Per WP:NEXIST, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". It is quite easy to find more sources about the topic including the following. Given the nature of the coverge, it's quite ironic that the character should be brought to AfD to be thrown in the trash. Andrew D. ( talk) 10:14, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable character per mentioned sources (and NEXIST), so keep per Andrew D. and HK Ian. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 12:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Toy Story 4 or the character list. For one shot movie characters, such sources as the above belong in the movie article itself. TTN ( talk) 14:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep per Andrew Davidson. If the nominator believes that a redirect is the correct WP:ATD then they should pursue that through discussion on the talk page, not attempt an end run by bringing it to AFD. Hug syrup 16:13, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I'm generally skeptical of character based articles, but there was definitely Forky related coverage from RS after Toy Story 4 (e.g. [1]) and now that he's going to have his own series I think there's more than enough evidence of lasting notability for an article. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:55, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Clicking the news search at the top of the AFD I find ample reliable sources talking about this character. Disney is giving him a series of shorts as well, I just adding brief mention of that to the article. The sources found by Andrew Davidson above prove the character easily passes the general notability guidelines. Dream Focus 02:21, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: the character appears to have received a significant amount of coverage from third-party, reliable sources about his appearance in Toy Story 4 and his future show on Disney+. I disagree with FoxyGrampa75 and Citing because the status of the article itself is not relevant. The article definitely needs a lot of work, but the state of an article is not a strong argument. It should be more focused on whether or not it meets WP:GNG, i.e. if significant coverage can be proven. Aoba47 ( talk) 18:03, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect To List of Toy Story characters. Fails WP:SUSTAINED and is not individually notable. Andrew D typically looks for any source that could possibly be presented, no matter how unreliable or tenuous, and this discussion is no exception. Upon close inspection, they still do not merit the existence of a standalone article. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 19:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: main character in high profile film. Fulfils GNG as there'll be sources. Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 11:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- @ Casliber: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Saying that sources will exist does not fulfill GNG. FoxyGrampa75 ( talk) 23:55, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- Merge or redirect: into the
List of Toy Story characters, per >
ZXCVBNM comment's regarding the sustainability of a stand-alone article. The character itself has not managed to get deep coverage by reliable secondary sources and impact in popular culture. The sources presented in the article can fit perfectly into the List of characters (and are necessary for referencing statements). --
LoЯd
۞pεth 20:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- Citations don't seem to be much of a priority for the characters with text on the list at the moment. More seriously, I think what distinguishes Forky from those characters is A)existing coverage on creation (there's no "Rex has Haunting Implications for our knowledge about Dinosaurs" that I'm aware of) and B)his being the lead in his own animated series. This second point is a bit speculative, but to me addresses the sustained elements (at the moment) that would make me otherwise skeptical about notability just based on the (substantial) coverage from Toy Story 4. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 20:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: In my opinion is relevant enough to have its own page and also will have its own series called Forky Asks a Question on Disney+. -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 17:30, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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