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The result was merge to Little Big Econ State Forest. czar 07:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
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Local hiking trail, no indication of notability. MB 02:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Florida. Shellwood ( talk) 08:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Delete Zero evidence of notability.Seacactus 13 ( talk) 17:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Changing to merge per below. Seacactus 13 ( talk) 02:05, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Merge, probably to Florida Trail, especially with creation of an anchor/target to which this may redirect (i.e. to Florida Trail#Flagler Trail), would be okay, or outright Keeping and developing this would probably also be okay as I tend to think sources, not yet found, will in fact exist. As the article is short now though, merging and redirecting now would be okay, allowing for recreation when an editor comes along with much more information. In the article there is statement with source that at least part of this is part of the Florida National Scenic Trail; this is not merely "local" in significance. The term National Scenic Trail redirects to the National Trail article which states that there are just 19 National Scenic Trails. These are designated by the U.S. Congress, and few in number, therefore I tend to think significant coverage will exist about all of them and they will all be individually Wikipedia-notable. (I also tend to think almost all named, verifiable hiking trails will be wikipedia-notable, as they are public attractions and covered in touristy books, etc., in spirit of essay wp:ITSAPUBLICATTRACTION to which I contributed. But this is not a minor hiking trail.) And Florida National Scenic Trail redirects to article Florida Trail, which includes in its list of components a dot point for " Little Big Econ State Forest & Flagler Trail. That dot point can be expanded with merged information including that part but not all of Flagler Trail is included in the Florida Trail, and with all the information in the current article's infobox. The Florida Trail article's list of components could well be expanded into a table with that type of infobox information, though having extra information about this one trail is okay for a while. The redirect left behind should be kept in Category:Hiking trails in Florida and perhaps others of this article's current categories. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note that search on "Flagler Trail" in "books" yields multiple trail guide books, including "The Florida Trail: The Official Hiking Guide" (2004), "Explorer's Guide 50 Hikes in Central Florida (Second Edition) (2011), "50 Hikes in Central Florida (Third Edition)" (2018), "Hiking Central Florida: A Guide to 30 Great Walking and ... " (2008), "Central Florida: Beyond the Theme Parks" (2021); "Five-Star Trails: Orlando: Your Guide to the Area's Most ... - (2012), and "Bicycling in Florida: The Cyclist's Road and Off-Road Guide" (2015), and more, which all appear to be reliable sources and to contain, in combination, substantial information which could be used to expand this article. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:40, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge to Little Big Econ State Forest, in which part of it is located. It's a short generic local trail without wider significance. The Florida Trail is over 1,000 miles long, so a couple miles overlapping with this trail doesn't warrant a section on it there, even with welcome expansion of that article: mention at Florida_Trail#FNST_route is adequate since the Florida Trail has so many portions in so many other protected areas. I wrote the article on the National Trails System, and while each major trail is obviously quite notable, that does not extend to the many segments that overlap locally-named trails. AllTrails.com has tens of thousands of trails, and various hiking books similarly describe routes of many thousands of trails, but Wikipedia should typically mention these in an article on the recreation area in which they're located, if at all, rather than stand-alone articles unless they are longer and have much more substantive content and coverage. The book results are all brief mentions of it among many other non-notable trails. Reywas92 Talk 17:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to establish consensus on which is the best merge/redirect location
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:28, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge to either page suggested above. The main problem is the 8.2 miles comes from original research as you can see on the talk page. A database suggests 14 miles [1]. A lot of the articles for trails are connections to eventually serve as the huge trail. It's just money for ROW acquisition is done this way. – The Grid ( talk) 17:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge to Little Big Econ State Forest, but include the details on the trail and it's history. Most of the maps I've seen indicates that the trail is only within this state forest, and older maps have shown that it was part of the FEC Kissimmee Valley Line. ------- User:DanTD ( talk) 04:16, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Little Big Econ State Forest. czar 07:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Flagler Trail ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Local hiking trail, no indication of notability. MB 02:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Florida. Shellwood ( talk) 08:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Delete Zero evidence of notability.Seacactus 13 ( talk) 17:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Changing to merge per below. Seacactus 13 ( talk) 02:05, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Merge, probably to Florida Trail, especially with creation of an anchor/target to which this may redirect (i.e. to Florida Trail#Flagler Trail), would be okay, or outright Keeping and developing this would probably also be okay as I tend to think sources, not yet found, will in fact exist. As the article is short now though, merging and redirecting now would be okay, allowing for recreation when an editor comes along with much more information. In the article there is statement with source that at least part of this is part of the Florida National Scenic Trail; this is not merely "local" in significance. The term National Scenic Trail redirects to the National Trail article which states that there are just 19 National Scenic Trails. These are designated by the U.S. Congress, and few in number, therefore I tend to think significant coverage will exist about all of them and they will all be individually Wikipedia-notable. (I also tend to think almost all named, verifiable hiking trails will be wikipedia-notable, as they are public attractions and covered in touristy books, etc., in spirit of essay wp:ITSAPUBLICATTRACTION to which I contributed. But this is not a minor hiking trail.) And Florida National Scenic Trail redirects to article Florida Trail, which includes in its list of components a dot point for " Little Big Econ State Forest & Flagler Trail. That dot point can be expanded with merged information including that part but not all of Flagler Trail is included in the Florida Trail, and with all the information in the current article's infobox. The Florida Trail article's list of components could well be expanded into a table with that type of infobox information, though having extra information about this one trail is okay for a while. The redirect left behind should be kept in Category:Hiking trails in Florida and perhaps others of this article's current categories. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note that search on "Flagler Trail" in "books" yields multiple trail guide books, including "The Florida Trail: The Official Hiking Guide" (2004), "Explorer's Guide 50 Hikes in Central Florida (Second Edition) (2011), "50 Hikes in Central Florida (Third Edition)" (2018), "Hiking Central Florida: A Guide to 30 Great Walking and ... " (2008), "Central Florida: Beyond the Theme Parks" (2021); "Five-Star Trails: Orlando: Your Guide to the Area's Most ... - (2012), and "Bicycling in Florida: The Cyclist's Road and Off-Road Guide" (2015), and more, which all appear to be reliable sources and to contain, in combination, substantial information which could be used to expand this article. -- Doncram ( talk) 15:40, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge to Little Big Econ State Forest, in which part of it is located. It's a short generic local trail without wider significance. The Florida Trail is over 1,000 miles long, so a couple miles overlapping with this trail doesn't warrant a section on it there, even with welcome expansion of that article: mention at Florida_Trail#FNST_route is adequate since the Florida Trail has so many portions in so many other protected areas. I wrote the article on the National Trails System, and while each major trail is obviously quite notable, that does not extend to the many segments that overlap locally-named trails. AllTrails.com has tens of thousands of trails, and various hiking books similarly describe routes of many thousands of trails, but Wikipedia should typically mention these in an article on the recreation area in which they're located, if at all, rather than stand-alone articles unless they are longer and have much more substantive content and coverage. The book results are all brief mentions of it among many other non-notable trails. Reywas92 Talk 17:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to establish consensus on which is the best merge/redirect location
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:28, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge to either page suggested above. The main problem is the 8.2 miles comes from original research as you can see on the talk page. A database suggests 14 miles [1]. A lot of the articles for trails are connections to eventually serve as the huge trail. It's just money for ROW acquisition is done this way. – The Grid ( talk) 17:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect/merge to Little Big Econ State Forest, but include the details on the trail and it's history. Most of the maps I've seen indicates that the trail is only within this state forest, and older maps have shown that it was part of the FEC Kissimmee Valley Line. ------- User:DanTD ( talk) 04:16, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.