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The result was keep and move to Spouse of the president of Singapore. Vanamonde ( Talk) 21:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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Not notable. As mentioned in the article, the "first lady/gentleman" is not a real title. The article's title refers to a title that neither exists in government or is widely used. Even if there is usage for the title, it does not have such significant usage that it would merit the term having its own WP page ( WP:NOTADICTIONARY). The article is a directory of spouses of presidents and fails WP:NOTADIRECTORY. Dawkin Verbier ( talk) 18:23, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep and move to Spouse of the president of Singapore. Excellent flag, I see the problem and I think we have to rename the page since "First Lady" and "First Gentleman" are not official titles, even though the book title of Puan Noor Aishah's official biography bills her as Singapore's First Lady. The good news is, many reliable sources do discuss the "spouse of the president of Singapore" (and to some extent the limited ceremonial role), and there is plenty of precedent in pages named Spouse of the prime minister of Canada, List of spouses of prime ministers of Japan, and Spouse of the president of the Philippines (which interestingly is a role distinct from First Lady or First Gentleman of the Philippines. Cielquiparle ( talk) 15:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep and move to Spouse of the president of Singapore per the careful assessment of Cielquiparle. Lightburst ( talk) 16:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Cielquiparle makes excellent points above. Plus, it's not hard to find instances where official Singaporean government sources specifically cites the role of the wife/husband of the president or uses the term "First Lady" or gentleman in official context, including here by the national Ministry of Communications and Information [1]. However, I'd advocate to keep the original "First Ladies and Gentlemen" title as well. Scanlan ( talk) 02:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep and move to Spouse of the president of Singapore. Vanamonde ( Talk) 21:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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Not notable. As mentioned in the article, the "first lady/gentleman" is not a real title. The article's title refers to a title that neither exists in government or is widely used. Even if there is usage for the title, it does not have such significant usage that it would merit the term having its own WP page ( WP:NOTADICTIONARY). The article is a directory of spouses of presidents and fails WP:NOTADIRECTORY. Dawkin Verbier ( talk) 18:23, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep and move to Spouse of the president of Singapore. Excellent flag, I see the problem and I think we have to rename the page since "First Lady" and "First Gentleman" are not official titles, even though the book title of Puan Noor Aishah's official biography bills her as Singapore's First Lady. The good news is, many reliable sources do discuss the "spouse of the president of Singapore" (and to some extent the limited ceremonial role), and there is plenty of precedent in pages named Spouse of the prime minister of Canada, List of spouses of prime ministers of Japan, and Spouse of the president of the Philippines (which interestingly is a role distinct from First Lady or First Gentleman of the Philippines. Cielquiparle ( talk) 15:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Cielquiparle ( talk) 15:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and move to Spouse of the president of Singapore per the careful assessment of Cielquiparle. Lightburst ( talk) 16:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Cielquiparle makes excellent points above. Plus, it's not hard to find instances where official Singaporean government sources specifically cites the role of the wife/husband of the president or uses the term "First Lady" or gentleman in official context, including here by the national Ministry of Communications and Information [1]. However, I'd advocate to keep the original "First Ladies and Gentlemen" title as well. Scanlan ( talk) 02:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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