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The result was delete. If anyone wants this userfied / drafted so they can work on it, please let me know. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Sources do not have significant independent coverage. I was unable to find anything better online––it seems that one of the subject's songs may charted in a local (Lagos) chart, but this does not meet the requirement of WP:MUSICBIO for the artist's work to be on a national music chart. Originally PRODed by me, endorsed by Elmidae, and then dePROD by the initial editor Preciousobichi who did not make any additional improvements or justifications. signed, Rosguill talk 17:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. signed, Rosguill talk 17:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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Please i need more time to improve the article, would be glad if the article is sent to draft rather than deleted to afford me more time to work on the article. Thank you. Preciousobichi ( talk) 18:58, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that there are no Nigerian charts that are listed as acceptable sources on WP:MUSICBIO. For me, if an artist is charting in a country of ~200 million people, it is notable. Looking at the guidelines, there is a lot of western bias in them when it comes to charts and awards that can be used to establish notability. There are other criteria that can be used to establish notability as well, not just whether the artist is charting well. Perhaps Preciousobichi can provide sources to establish that Fii3rd meets one or more of the other criterea? I don't think citing lack of charting in this case makes a good argument against notability due to the subject being outside the bias of that criteria. Hobbes345 ( talk) 19:50, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Lack of charting is not the basis of not meeting notability here: that comes down to the lack of coverage in reliable sources. The reason that I have specifically mentioned the lack of national charting is because the article does mention the local Lagos chart; I made this argument to head off editors taking a cursory glance at the article, seeing that it "has charted", and coming here to argue that of course it's notable because it has charted without realizing that the chart in question is a local chart. As for which charts would be valid for meeting MUSICBIO, I'm not familiar with any offhand, but they would at a minimum need to be a chart for the entire country, such as
this one which I found in a quick internet search. signed,
Rosguill
talk
19:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Send To Draft -- Ultimately this seems like it needs more work to prove notability. The page creator has already stated this is a work in progress and that he/she would like more time to work on it. I think this is the best solution currently.
Hobbes345 (
talk)
20:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Fine by me, FWIW. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Send To Draft -- Ultimately this seems like it needs more work to prove notability. The page creator has already stated this is a work in progress and that he/she would like more time to work on it. I think this is the best solution currently.
Hobbes345 (
talk)
20:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Draftify: Based on the above comment by the article creator Preciousobichi. — MarkH21 ( talk) 22:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)- Delete: Upon further review of the subject, it seems unlikely to be considered notable in the near future. So I've changed my !vote to from draftify to delete. — MarkH21 ( talk) 03:11, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: Clearly non-notable musician that doesn't deserve to either be in mainspace or draftspace (I may sluggishly agree to userfy at request). My advice to the article creator is that he/she shouldn't waste his time on moving to draft, there is zero atom of notability in the subject. There are many probable notable Nigerian musicians that you can consider developing, instead of a totally non-notable one. Samklef, Kel, Saeon, etc. HandsomeBoy ( talk) 10:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
- Nom comment I would agree with HandsomeBoy that drafting is not likely to help anyone. signed, Rosguill talk 17:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Rosguill, i put in alot of work in this article, all i'm pleading is for more time i am seriously unwell at the moment, when i fully recover i will make more research and improve the article, please send to draft rather than deleting. Thank You. Preciousobichi ( talk) 11:05, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- We can userfy if you insist, but I am skeptical that you will be able to find enough coverage in order for this to ever be ready for publication. signed, Rosguill talk 17:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. A Google search of the subject doesn't show him being discussed in reliable sources. The subject appears to be an up-and-coming artist with only three or fours singles, none of which are notable. I opposed the article being userfy. The subject doesn't have a music career to speak of. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 02:33, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. If anyone wants this userfied / drafted so they can work on it, please let me know. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Sources do not have significant independent coverage. I was unable to find anything better online––it seems that one of the subject's songs may charted in a local (Lagos) chart, but this does not meet the requirement of WP:MUSICBIO for the artist's work to be on a national music chart. Originally PRODed by me, endorsed by Elmidae, and then dePROD by the initial editor Preciousobichi who did not make any additional improvements or justifications. signed, Rosguill talk 17:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. signed, Rosguill talk 17:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. signed, Rosguill talk 17:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Please i need more time to improve the article, would be glad if the article is sent to draft rather than deleted to afford me more time to work on the article. Thank you. Preciousobichi ( talk) 18:58, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that there are no Nigerian charts that are listed as acceptable sources on WP:MUSICBIO. For me, if an artist is charting in a country of ~200 million people, it is notable. Looking at the guidelines, there is a lot of western bias in them when it comes to charts and awards that can be used to establish notability. There are other criteria that can be used to establish notability as well, not just whether the artist is charting well. Perhaps Preciousobichi can provide sources to establish that Fii3rd meets one or more of the other criterea? I don't think citing lack of charting in this case makes a good argument against notability due to the subject being outside the bias of that criteria. Hobbes345 ( talk) 19:50, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Lack of charting is not the basis of not meeting notability here: that comes down to the lack of coverage in reliable sources. The reason that I have specifically mentioned the lack of national charting is because the article does mention the local Lagos chart; I made this argument to head off editors taking a cursory glance at the article, seeing that it "has charted", and coming here to argue that of course it's notable because it has charted without realizing that the chart in question is a local chart. As for which charts would be valid for meeting MUSICBIO, I'm not familiar with any offhand, but they would at a minimum need to be a chart for the entire country, such as
this one which I found in a quick internet search. signed,
Rosguill
talk
19:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Send To Draft -- Ultimately this seems like it needs more work to prove notability. The page creator has already stated this is a work in progress and that he/she would like more time to work on it. I think this is the best solution currently.
Hobbes345 (
talk)
20:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Fine by me, FWIW. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Send To Draft -- Ultimately this seems like it needs more work to prove notability. The page creator has already stated this is a work in progress and that he/she would like more time to work on it. I think this is the best solution currently.
Hobbes345 (
talk)
20:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Draftify: Based on the above comment by the article creator Preciousobichi. — MarkH21 ( talk) 22:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)- Delete: Upon further review of the subject, it seems unlikely to be considered notable in the near future. So I've changed my !vote to from draftify to delete. — MarkH21 ( talk) 03:11, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: Clearly non-notable musician that doesn't deserve to either be in mainspace or draftspace (I may sluggishly agree to userfy at request). My advice to the article creator is that he/she shouldn't waste his time on moving to draft, there is zero atom of notability in the subject. There are many probable notable Nigerian musicians that you can consider developing, instead of a totally non-notable one. Samklef, Kel, Saeon, etc. HandsomeBoy ( talk) 10:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
- Nom comment I would agree with HandsomeBoy that drafting is not likely to help anyone. signed, Rosguill talk 17:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Rosguill, i put in alot of work in this article, all i'm pleading is for more time i am seriously unwell at the moment, when i fully recover i will make more research and improve the article, please send to draft rather than deleting. Thank You. Preciousobichi ( talk) 11:05, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- We can userfy if you insist, but I am skeptical that you will be able to find enough coverage in order for this to ever be ready for publication. signed, Rosguill talk 17:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. A Google search of the subject doesn't show him being discussed in reliable sources. The subject appears to be an up-and-coming artist with only three or fours singles, none of which are notable. I opposed the article being userfy. The subject doesn't have a music career to speak of. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 02:33, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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