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The result was redirect to List of Border representative cricketers. Liz Read! Talk! 22:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Edward Baker (South African cricketer)
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Does not appear meet WP:GNG or WP:NPEOPLE. ProofRobust 22:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. No evidence of notability. OliveYouBean ( talk) 01:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Baker played in ten first-class matches over a lengthy period and the article could be expanded with content from South African sources in addition to Wisden, CricketArchive, etc. Even if sufficient sources cannot be found to meet SIGCOV, the article qualifies for
WP:ATD-R and, as Baker played nine of his matches for Border, the obvious redirect target is
List of Border representative cricketers where he is already included. By the way, the fact that he played in ten first-class matches is itself evidence of notability. I agree, however, that the article should be expanded and that more citations are needed.
Bc
Jvs UTC
09:35, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with the fact that he is notable, however I couldn't find any more sources that would make this article pass WP:GNG. I support a redirect to List of Border representative cricketers. ProofRobust 17:49, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's fair comment. I've added a bit to it but we could really do with something from a South African source. Bc Jvs UTC 18:51, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Border representative cricketers Sourcing for SA cricketers has always been difficult to find, especially for players of this era. Obviously he played a handful of names so has some notability, but not enough for a GNG pass. Redirect is a suitable WP:ATD and preserves the history if something does crop up in the limited archives we have or Afrikaans sourcing. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:35, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Very true, I'm afraid. I'll stick with keep in case something can be found but I admit it's unlikely. Bc Jvs UTC 21:09, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to the list of Border cricketers as a sensible alternative to deletion. The chances are that if we could get access to paper copies of South African newspapers from the 50s and 60s we'd find stuff on him, quite possibly enough to keep the article. Access anytime soon to those sorts of sources is unlikely however and there's not enough to build a biography of just now. But it's not unreasonable to assume that when someone does get access to that that we'll be able to do so, so to preserve the attribution and sourcing we should redirect here. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 08:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of Border representative cricketers. Liz Read! Talk! 22:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Edward Baker (South African cricketer)
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Does not appear meet WP:GNG or WP:NPEOPLE. ProofRobust 22:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Cricket, and South Africa. ProofRobust 22:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. No evidence of notability. OliveYouBean ( talk) 01:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Baker played in ten first-class matches over a lengthy period and the article could be expanded with content from South African sources in addition to Wisden, CricketArchive, etc. Even if sufficient sources cannot be found to meet SIGCOV, the article qualifies for
WP:ATD-R and, as Baker played nine of his matches for Border, the obvious redirect target is
List of Border representative cricketers where he is already included. By the way, the fact that he played in ten first-class matches is itself evidence of notability. I agree, however, that the article should be expanded and that more citations are needed.
Bc
Jvs UTC
09:35, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with the fact that he is notable, however I couldn't find any more sources that would make this article pass WP:GNG. I support a redirect to List of Border representative cricketers. ProofRobust 17:49, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's fair comment. I've added a bit to it but we could really do with something from a South African source. Bc Jvs UTC 18:51, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Border representative cricketers Sourcing for SA cricketers has always been difficult to find, especially for players of this era. Obviously he played a handful of names so has some notability, but not enough for a GNG pass. Redirect is a suitable WP:ATD and preserves the history if something does crop up in the limited archives we have or Afrikaans sourcing. Rugbyfan22 ( talk) 19:35, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Very true, I'm afraid. I'll stick with keep in case something can be found but I admit it's unlikely. Bc Jvs UTC 21:09, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to the list of Border cricketers as a sensible alternative to deletion. The chances are that if we could get access to paper copies of South African newspapers from the 50s and 60s we'd find stuff on him, quite possibly enough to keep the article. Access anytime soon to those sorts of sources is unlikely however and there's not enough to build a biography of just now. But it's not unreasonable to assume that when someone does get access to that that we'll be able to do so, so to preserve the attribution and sourcing we should redirect here. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 08:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
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