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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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This is a big list of variety and radio show appearances, which have already been established as not appropriate for Wikipedia. Article serves no other purpose. Shinyang-i ( talk) 01:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Comment. I split this off from the main EXID article because the Filmography section was growing excessively long. I used other Kpop groups' Filmography articles as a basis for this. I was and am unaware of a policy that prohibits this. If the article is deleted, then what information in it is usable on the main article, if any? You only mention variety and radio show appearances, so could the drama, reality, and MV appearances be included in the main article? What about appearances as a regular guest, like Hani's tenure at ShimShimTapa in 2012-2013? If these are usable, then I would like to transfer them to the main article prior to deletion. ComfyKem ( talk) 01:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Good questions! I recommend never looking at other kpop articles for guidance, as they're usually wrong ha ha. My advice is to look at all filmography articles in general. It's not that there is a policy prohibiting this explicitly, but previous discussions on filmography sections within articles and as stand alone lists have produced consensus that huge lists of guest appearances on variety shows (or anything else, really) are indiscriminate lists, which have no encyclopedic value and which are one of the things "Wikipedia is not". I'd recommend moving the list of music videos to
EXID discography. Shows on which members were regular guests or hosts could be discussed in prose in the EXID article's member section in the appropriate members' sub-sections. Same for drama/film roles. Right now (if I recall), none of the members have gained individual notability apart from EXID, so it's fine and good to have a little subsection for each member similar to that in
Apink. I'd also discuss the variety shows (or just list them) in the main EXID article, as well. That's the only thing from here I'd say legitimately belongs in an EXID filmography. Does that help? :)
Shinyang-i (
talk) 02:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've done much of the recommendations. Should the variety show tables just be moved to the main article, Filmography section?
ComfyKem (
talk) 03:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I might have missed something, but I don't think EXID (as a group) has ever been regular guests or the main cast of a variety show, so I wouldn't move any of those tables over to the main article. Good job on the member subsections, BTW.
Random86 (
talk) 05:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've added group drama and reality appearances to the Filmography section of the main article. Individual regular appearances on reality, variety, and radio shows are in prose in member subsections. I'll be keeping a personal archive (not on WP) of the article and its talk page if any of the information is ever needed in the future. If there is agreement to delete, then it can go ahead.
ComfyKem (
talk) 07:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Hi ComfyKem, I thought I would add to this just in case you'er weird like me and wanted this group to have a videography page even if it wouldn't be a giagantic list of everything they ever did. Because it's not impossible to give the group a videography (more commonly used for music artists then filmographies). The Got7 videography was created by me useing wikipedia's "article wizard" so instead of the article being created directly to Wikipedia it had to pass an approval. This meant random editors looked at the page and judged it and after some edits it was able to be get approved. It might be the only kpop videography/ filmography that has been given an article quality scale rank. While this doesn't mean the page is perfect or protects it from deletion nominations it makes it much less likely someone will do so. Peachywink ( talk) 23:00, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've added group drama and reality appearances to the Filmography section of the main article. Individual regular appearances on reality, variety, and radio shows are in prose in member subsections. I'll be keeping a personal archive (not on WP) of the article and its talk page if any of the information is ever needed in the future. If there is agreement to delete, then it can go ahead.
ComfyKem (
talk) 07:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I might have missed something, but I don't think EXID (as a group) has ever been regular guests or the main cast of a variety show, so I wouldn't move any of those tables over to the main article. Good job on the member subsections, BTW.
Random86 (
talk) 05:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've done much of the recommendations. Should the variety show tables just be moved to the main article, Filmography section?
ComfyKem (
talk) 03:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. I created one of these myself when I first started editing K-pop articles, but through discussions with other editors, I've come to the conclusion that a complete list of TV appearances is overly detailed for Wikipedia and is more appropriate for a fansite. If the whole group has their own variety show or is a regular guest on a variety show, these can be mentioned on EXID or listed in a filmography section (same thing for radio shows). Since the music video appearances are for individual members, I would only mention them in prose in that member's subsection. A table isn't needed for things like that IMO. Random86 ( talk) 05:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Merge back to EXID per being better for our readers when offered contextually in the band's article. But Shinyang-i is incorrect. Separate filmography lists ARE allowed (IE: Tom Cruise filmography)... just not in this case. Schmidt, Michael Q. 04:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)Striking. Let whomseoever wishes expand as they have time. Suggesting a merge is pointless. Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- MichaelQSchmidt, what are you proposing should be merged? Some of these filmography articles are very long, like Apink filmography. I believe Shinyang-i is saying complete lists of every reality show and radio show appearance is not appropriate for Wikipedia (not that separate filmography articles aren't allowed, which is obviously not the case). Just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying. (This also applies to the other K-pop band filmography AfDs you commented on.) Random86 ( talk) 05:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Yup... just that. Merge them and give our readers context. Eventual split out can be discussed on talk pages. Schmidt, Michael Q. 20:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- He's asking what you think should be merged. Not the entire thing, surely. Did you look at this article and at the EXID article? All of the keep-able information is already there... And eventual split out...what are you talking about? Split out into what? A new filmography? For what? I'm having a lot of trouble following you. You seem to be talking in generalizations and not in relation to these specific articles. Also, do you mind modifying your many comments where you said I said filmographies aren't allowed, because I never said that and I don't like erroneous information persisting on AFD discussions. Shinyang-i ( talk) 20:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- As the entire thing can be sourced to the films themselves, yes... and it could be latter split off as a SOURCED spin-off article per already existing common practices. I am however striking by merge opinion. Have fun.
Schmidt,
Michael Q. 01:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- "the films themselves"...EXID has no films in their filmography. If you are unfamiliar with the particular problems editors face in kpop filmographies where fans will list the even the five seconds a group member appeared during a half hour broadcast that's fine. But you should at least look at the article before you say wether it should be deleted or saved or other. Also...."it could be latter split off" was that a joke or accident or do you not know you should have used the word later?... because if you don't know what the word latter is it would explain some of today's misunderstandings. Peachywink ( talk) 04:30, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- As the entire thing can be sourced to the films themselves, yes... and it could be latter split off as a SOURCED spin-off article per already existing common practices. I am however striking by merge opinion. Have fun.
Schmidt,
Michael Q. 01:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 10:07, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete I'm voting for deletion because there is no value in leaving up the foundation of this page when they are far off from needing it. Most of the things are small guesting on variety shows and the YouTube reality seasons can be mentioned on the main page. Individuals in the group that are cast members of shows can have that placed on their own page. Peachywink ( talk) 14:42, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- Delete for lacking WP:RS, and from the looks of it, many of the material might not be sufficiently notable for inclusion. - Mailer Diablo 23:17, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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This is a big list of variety and radio show appearances, which have already been established as not appropriate for Wikipedia. Article serves no other purpose. Shinyang-i ( talk) 01:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Shinyang-i ( talk) 01:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment. I split this off from the main EXID article because the Filmography section was growing excessively long. I used other Kpop groups' Filmography articles as a basis for this. I was and am unaware of a policy that prohibits this. If the article is deleted, then what information in it is usable on the main article, if any? You only mention variety and radio show appearances, so could the drama, reality, and MV appearances be included in the main article? What about appearances as a regular guest, like Hani's tenure at ShimShimTapa in 2012-2013? If these are usable, then I would like to transfer them to the main article prior to deletion. ComfyKem ( talk) 01:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Good questions! I recommend never looking at other kpop articles for guidance, as they're usually wrong ha ha. My advice is to look at all filmography articles in general. It's not that there is a policy prohibiting this explicitly, but previous discussions on filmography sections within articles and as stand alone lists have produced consensus that huge lists of guest appearances on variety shows (or anything else, really) are indiscriminate lists, which have no encyclopedic value and which are one of the things "Wikipedia is not". I'd recommend moving the list of music videos to
EXID discography. Shows on which members were regular guests or hosts could be discussed in prose in the EXID article's member section in the appropriate members' sub-sections. Same for drama/film roles. Right now (if I recall), none of the members have gained individual notability apart from EXID, so it's fine and good to have a little subsection for each member similar to that in
Apink. I'd also discuss the variety shows (or just list them) in the main EXID article, as well. That's the only thing from here I'd say legitimately belongs in an EXID filmography. Does that help? :)
Shinyang-i (
talk) 02:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've done much of the recommendations. Should the variety show tables just be moved to the main article, Filmography section?
ComfyKem (
talk) 03:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I might have missed something, but I don't think EXID (as a group) has ever been regular guests or the main cast of a variety show, so I wouldn't move any of those tables over to the main article. Good job on the member subsections, BTW.
Random86 (
talk) 05:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've added group drama and reality appearances to the Filmography section of the main article. Individual regular appearances on reality, variety, and radio shows are in prose in member subsections. I'll be keeping a personal archive (not on WP) of the article and its talk page if any of the information is ever needed in the future. If there is agreement to delete, then it can go ahead.
ComfyKem (
talk) 07:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Hi ComfyKem, I thought I would add to this just in case you'er weird like me and wanted this group to have a videography page even if it wouldn't be a giagantic list of everything they ever did. Because it's not impossible to give the group a videography (more commonly used for music artists then filmographies). The Got7 videography was created by me useing wikipedia's "article wizard" so instead of the article being created directly to Wikipedia it had to pass an approval. This meant random editors looked at the page and judged it and after some edits it was able to be get approved. It might be the only kpop videography/ filmography that has been given an article quality scale rank. While this doesn't mean the page is perfect or protects it from deletion nominations it makes it much less likely someone will do so. Peachywink ( talk) 23:00, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've added group drama and reality appearances to the Filmography section of the main article. Individual regular appearances on reality, variety, and radio shows are in prose in member subsections. I'll be keeping a personal archive (not on WP) of the article and its talk page if any of the information is ever needed in the future. If there is agreement to delete, then it can go ahead.
ComfyKem (
talk) 07:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I might have missed something, but I don't think EXID (as a group) has ever been regular guests or the main cast of a variety show, so I wouldn't move any of those tables over to the main article. Good job on the member subsections, BTW.
Random86 (
talk) 05:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've done much of the recommendations. Should the variety show tables just be moved to the main article, Filmography section?
ComfyKem (
talk) 03:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. I created one of these myself when I first started editing K-pop articles, but through discussions with other editors, I've come to the conclusion that a complete list of TV appearances is overly detailed for Wikipedia and is more appropriate for a fansite. If the whole group has their own variety show or is a regular guest on a variety show, these can be mentioned on EXID or listed in a filmography section (same thing for radio shows). Since the music video appearances are for individual members, I would only mention them in prose in that member's subsection. A table isn't needed for things like that IMO. Random86 ( talk) 05:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Random86 ( talk) 06:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Merge back to EXID per being better for our readers when offered contextually in the band's article. But Shinyang-i is incorrect. Separate filmography lists ARE allowed (IE: Tom Cruise filmography)... just not in this case. Schmidt, Michael Q. 04:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)Striking. Let whomseoever wishes expand as they have time. Suggesting a merge is pointless. Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- MichaelQSchmidt, what are you proposing should be merged? Some of these filmography articles are very long, like Apink filmography. I believe Shinyang-i is saying complete lists of every reality show and radio show appearance is not appropriate for Wikipedia (not that separate filmography articles aren't allowed, which is obviously not the case). Just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying. (This also applies to the other K-pop band filmography AfDs you commented on.) Random86 ( talk) 05:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Yup... just that. Merge them and give our readers context. Eventual split out can be discussed on talk pages. Schmidt, Michael Q. 20:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- He's asking what you think should be merged. Not the entire thing, surely. Did you look at this article and at the EXID article? All of the keep-able information is already there... And eventual split out...what are you talking about? Split out into what? A new filmography? For what? I'm having a lot of trouble following you. You seem to be talking in generalizations and not in relation to these specific articles. Also, do you mind modifying your many comments where you said I said filmographies aren't allowed, because I never said that and I don't like erroneous information persisting on AFD discussions. Shinyang-i ( talk) 20:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- As the entire thing can be sourced to the films themselves, yes... and it could be latter split off as a SOURCED spin-off article per already existing common practices. I am however striking by merge opinion. Have fun.
Schmidt,
Michael Q. 01:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- "the films themselves"...EXID has no films in their filmography. If you are unfamiliar with the particular problems editors face in kpop filmographies where fans will list the even the five seconds a group member appeared during a half hour broadcast that's fine. But you should at least look at the article before you say wether it should be deleted or saved or other. Also...."it could be latter split off" was that a joke or accident or do you not know you should have used the word later?... because if you don't know what the word latter is it would explain some of today's misunderstandings. Peachywink ( talk) 04:30, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
- As the entire thing can be sourced to the films themselves, yes... and it could be latter split off as a SOURCED spin-off article per already existing common practices. I am however striking by merge opinion. Have fun.
Schmidt,
Michael Q. 01:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 10:07, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 10:07, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- Delete I'm voting for deletion because there is no value in leaving up the foundation of this page when they are far off from needing it. Most of the things are small guesting on variety shows and the YouTube reality seasons can be mentioned on the main page. Individuals in the group that are cast members of shows can have that placed on their own page. Peachywink ( talk) 14:42, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- Delete for lacking WP:RS, and from the looks of it, many of the material might not be sufficiently notable for inclusion. - Mailer Diablo 23:17, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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