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The result was keep. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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Screenwriter of uncertain notability. Mccapra ( talk) 22:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment: The figure seems notable. Mccapra, did you follow WP:BEFORE in seeking sources outside of Wikipedia? I found the following in a few minutes:
- STEP UP Screenwriter Duane Adler Makes Directorial Debut With MAKE YOUR MOVE, Out 4/18
- Maryland native Duane Adler's first film as writer-director is multicultural
- 'Step Up' writer boards 'Jump Around'
- Master of Movement: Dance Loving Director Duane Adler on his new Film Heartbeats
- Fox Developing ‘Shine’ Dance Drama From Marc Platt & ‘Step Up’s Duane Adler
- Director Duane Adler Talks About His Upcoming Dance Film Heartbeats
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- Comment. Interesting. Broadwayworld.com I must admit I’d overlooked and I agree it does show notability. The Baltimore Sun shows in my search but is blocked in the UK. Hollywoodreporter.com doesn’t show in my search. He’s named in the headline which is a strong plus, but only very briefly mentioned in the article. Motionpicture.org does show in my search, but it’s an interview with him rather than a source about him. Deadline.com I get and it may demonstrate notability but it looks like a rehashed press release to me. M.mid-day.com I don’t get in my search results. It may demonstrate notability but is mostly an interview about him. Apart from these I see one piece in an Indian outlet I’ve never heard of before and nothing else that looks like reliable independent sourcing. So yes, despite overlooking one of the sources you highlight, to me notability seems doubtful. Mccapra ( talk) 03:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NEXIST and WP:ARTN. Adler has written notable films with Wikipedia pages, and Erik has shown that there are multiple independent reliable sources discussing Adler and his career. The existing article is badly written and has no sources, but WP:ARTN says that notability is unaffected by the state of the current article; notability is determined by whether sources exist that could be used to improve the article. I don't know what Mccapra means by "shows in my search" and "I don't get in my search results", but it seems like pointless nitpicking of perfectly adequate sources. — Toughpigs ( talk) 03:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment What I mean is that google does not show these results when I search, so until Erik shared them, I could not see them. Google does not show the same results for everyone. My comment was in response to his querying whether I had looked for sources. Mccapra ( talk) 04:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per my comment above, as I've incorporated the sources I found and increased the article about 790% in size. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 14:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved since nomination with an expansion based on multiple reliable sources coverage which shows WP:BASIC is passed in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 23:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - meets GNG and sources exist. Please do a WP:BEFORE. KartikeyaS ( talk) 06:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - per sources now added to article; meets GNG. ~ riley ( talk) 07:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian ( talk) 13:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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Screenwriter of uncertain notability. Mccapra ( talk) 22:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment: The figure seems notable. Mccapra, did you follow WP:BEFORE in seeking sources outside of Wikipedia? I found the following in a few minutes:
- STEP UP Screenwriter Duane Adler Makes Directorial Debut With MAKE YOUR MOVE, Out 4/18
- Maryland native Duane Adler's first film as writer-director is multicultural
- 'Step Up' writer boards 'Jump Around'
- Master of Movement: Dance Loving Director Duane Adler on his new Film Heartbeats
- Fox Developing ‘Shine’ Dance Drama From Marc Platt & ‘Step Up’s Duane Adler
- Director Duane Adler Talks About His Upcoming Dance Film Heartbeats
- Thanks,
Erik (
talk |
contrib) (
ping me)
23:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Interesting. Broadwayworld.com I must admit I’d overlooked and I agree it does show notability. The Baltimore Sun shows in my search but is blocked in the UK. Hollywoodreporter.com doesn’t show in my search. He’s named in the headline which is a strong plus, but only very briefly mentioned in the article. Motionpicture.org does show in my search, but it’s an interview with him rather than a source about him. Deadline.com I get and it may demonstrate notability but it looks like a rehashed press release to me. M.mid-day.com I don’t get in my search results. It may demonstrate notability but is mostly an interview about him. Apart from these I see one piece in an Indian outlet I’ve never heard of before and nothing else that looks like reliable independent sourcing. So yes, despite overlooking one of the sources you highlight, to me notability seems doubtful. Mccapra ( talk) 03:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NEXIST and WP:ARTN. Adler has written notable films with Wikipedia pages, and Erik has shown that there are multiple independent reliable sources discussing Adler and his career. The existing article is badly written and has no sources, but WP:ARTN says that notability is unaffected by the state of the current article; notability is determined by whether sources exist that could be used to improve the article. I don't know what Mccapra means by "shows in my search" and "I don't get in my search results", but it seems like pointless nitpicking of perfectly adequate sources. — Toughpigs ( talk) 03:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment What I mean is that google does not show these results when I search, so until Erik shared them, I could not see them. Google does not show the same results for everyone. My comment was in response to his querying whether I had looked for sources. Mccapra ( talk) 04:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per my comment above, as I've incorporated the sources I found and increased the article about 790% in size. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 14:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved since nomination with an expansion based on multiple reliable sources coverage which shows WP:BASIC is passed in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 23:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - meets GNG and sources exist. Please do a WP:BEFORE. KartikeyaS ( talk) 06:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - per sources now added to article; meets GNG. ~ riley ( talk) 07:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian ( talk) 13:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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