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The result was redirect to Kamala Harris. RL0919 ( talk) 02:14, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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Subject fails WP:GNG. Any news coverage of him is in the context of his famous spouse, and notability is WP:NOTINHERETED. I tried to revert this back into a redirect, which I think is appropriate, only to be reverted back, so here we are. – Muboshgu ( talk) 00:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect. I don't see enough there for him to be considered notable enough for an article: he doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria and we don't have a Wikipedia:Notability (lawyers) guideline. Some of what was added could be in the page about his wife if isn't already there (went to school, obtained law degree, practices with firm), but the page in and of itself should return to being a redirect. – Athaenara ✉ 01:23, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir ( talk) 01:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Redirect as lacking independent notability. It's possible if Harris gets the nomination and certainly if she gets elected that he'll start to pass GNG but for now a redirect is appropriate. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete not notable at this time. If Harris becomes the nominee this may change, but not right now. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Kamala Harris as described by Athaenara. Notability is not inherited. -- Enos733 ( talk) 15:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, without prejudice against the creation of a redirect afterward (but delete first so that there's no history to revert-war over). People are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because of who they happen to be married to, this doesn't even try to make a case that he's notable for his law career, and one article in one source is not a magic WP:GNG pass that automatically exempts a person from actually having to have a real notability claim. If Kamala Harris wins the presidential election next year, then obviously he'll qualify for an article at that time as the new First Spouse — but until that time, having a chance to maybe become the First Spouse next year is not a notability claim in and of itself. Bearcat ( talk) 16:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ Bearcat: It had been a redirect since September 2018 when I created it ( log). There is zero harm in keeping the page history intact. If there is edit warring, we have ways of dealing with that. – Athaenara ✉ 17:34, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- What needs to be shown is that there's positive value in keeping the edit history, not that there's merely a lack of harm. Bearcat ( talk) 17:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Per Help:Page history, we generally do see that. – Athaenara ✉ 12:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Kamala Harris. RL0919 ( talk) 02:14, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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Subject fails WP:GNG. Any news coverage of him is in the context of his famous spouse, and notability is WP:NOTINHERETED. I tried to revert this back into a redirect, which I think is appropriate, only to be reverted back, so here we are. – Muboshgu ( talk) 00:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect. I don't see enough there for him to be considered notable enough for an article: he doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria and we don't have a Wikipedia:Notability (lawyers) guideline. Some of what was added could be in the page about his wife if isn't already there (went to school, obtained law degree, practices with firm), but the page in and of itself should return to being a redirect. – Athaenara ✉ 01:23, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir ( talk) 01:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir ( talk) 01:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect as lacking independent notability. It's possible if Harris gets the nomination and certainly if she gets elected that he'll start to pass GNG but for now a redirect is appropriate. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete not notable at this time. If Harris becomes the nominee this may change, but not right now. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:34, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:34, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Kamala Harris as described by Athaenara. Notability is not inherited. -- Enos733 ( talk) 15:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, without prejudice against the creation of a redirect afterward (but delete first so that there's no history to revert-war over). People are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because of who they happen to be married to, this doesn't even try to make a case that he's notable for his law career, and one article in one source is not a magic WP:GNG pass that automatically exempts a person from actually having to have a real notability claim. If Kamala Harris wins the presidential election next year, then obviously he'll qualify for an article at that time as the new First Spouse — but until that time, having a chance to maybe become the First Spouse next year is not a notability claim in and of itself. Bearcat ( talk) 16:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ Bearcat: It had been a redirect since September 2018 when I created it ( log). There is zero harm in keeping the page history intact. If there is edit warring, we have ways of dealing with that. – Athaenara ✉ 17:34, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- What needs to be shown is that there's positive value in keeping the edit history, not that there's merely a lack of harm. Bearcat ( talk) 17:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Per Help:Page history, we generally do see that. – Athaenara ✉ 12:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.