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The result was keep. General consensus. (non-admin closure) Night fury 09:04, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
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This article, while well written and full of inline citations, nonetheless fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG. Checking through the references, they are all either trivial coverage (i.e. mentions), or not independent, or are supporting assertions that do not establish notability (e.g. regional tours or songs charting on charts not considered suitable for inclusion per WP:CHART). Uninvited Company 03:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep Doll Skin should NOT be deleted...They have been on 6 US National tours, 3 European Tours, they were signed to MegaForce Records, they are now signed with EMP Label Group, have toured twice on Warped Tour, and they have 2 international CD releases (with one song that charted on BillBoard's Mainstream Rock Indicator Chart. Additionally they have been featured multiple times in Alternative Press Magazine https://www.altpress.com/tag/doll-skin/ and Billboard Magazine https://www.billboard.com/search/manic%20pixie%20dream%20girl (2 very notable publications). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.230.41 ( talk) 20:04, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 00:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 00:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Does need to have a proper assertion of notability in the opening paragraph but there are pieces in Alternative Press (magazine), Phoenix New Times and BraveWords that are independent and considerably more than mentions and as such can count towards WP:BAND "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works" etc Romomusicfan ( talk) 19:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Have written assertion of notability.
Romomusicfan (
talk)
19:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Request for comment from user UninvitedCompany as I'm getting bored of waiting for something to happen.
- It seems to me that the subject clearly passes WP:BAND Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself given as I've noted, the cited selections Alternative Press(introductory profile) Phoenix Times (full length feature), Billboard (magazine)(introductory profile) and BraveWords (full length news item)
- Therefore I would ask UninvitedCompany (Steven) on what grounds he would still maintain that any or all of the above are trivial, unreliable, self-published or not independent of the band? Or is four simply not multiple enough?
- If, bearing in mind what I've said, he no longer has any such objections, perhaps we should bring matters to a swifter conclusion rather than wait around for the next relisting. Romomusicfan ( talk) 17:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Have written assertion of notability.
Romomusicfan (
talk)
19:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 08:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 08:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Coverage probably sufficient to justify an article, e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. -- Michig ( talk) 07:51, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. General consensus. (non-admin closure) Night fury 09:04, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
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This article, while well written and full of inline citations, nonetheless fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG. Checking through the references, they are all either trivial coverage (i.e. mentions), or not independent, or are supporting assertions that do not establish notability (e.g. regional tours or songs charting on charts not considered suitable for inclusion per WP:CHART). Uninvited Company 03:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett ( talk) 08:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett ( talk) 08:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett ( talk) 08:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Doll Skin should NOT be deleted...They have been on 6 US National tours, 3 European Tours, they were signed to MegaForce Records, they are now signed with EMP Label Group, have toured twice on Warped Tour, and they have 2 international CD releases (with one song that charted on BillBoard's Mainstream Rock Indicator Chart. Additionally they have been featured multiple times in Alternative Press Magazine https://www.altpress.com/tag/doll-skin/ and Billboard Magazine https://www.billboard.com/search/manic%20pixie%20dream%20girl (2 very notable publications). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.230.41 ( talk) 20:04, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 00:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 00:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Does need to have a proper assertion of notability in the opening paragraph but there are pieces in Alternative Press (magazine), Phoenix New Times and BraveWords that are independent and considerably more than mentions and as such can count towards WP:BAND "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works" etc Romomusicfan ( talk) 19:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Have written assertion of notability.
Romomusicfan (
talk)
19:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Request for comment from user UninvitedCompany as I'm getting bored of waiting for something to happen.
- It seems to me that the subject clearly passes WP:BAND Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself given as I've noted, the cited selections Alternative Press(introductory profile) Phoenix Times (full length feature), Billboard (magazine)(introductory profile) and BraveWords (full length news item)
- Therefore I would ask UninvitedCompany (Steven) on what grounds he would still maintain that any or all of the above are trivial, unreliable, self-published or not independent of the band? Or is four simply not multiple enough?
- If, bearing in mind what I've said, he no longer has any such objections, perhaps we should bring matters to a swifter conclusion rather than wait around for the next relisting. Romomusicfan ( talk) 17:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Have written assertion of notability.
Romomusicfan (
talk)
19:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 08:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe ( talk) 08:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Coverage probably sufficient to justify an article, e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. -- Michig ( talk) 07:51, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.