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The result was merge to Westminster International University in Tashkent. Consensus is the rewrite fixed the content issues, but not the notability ones. Star Mississippi 01:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Diplomatic Academy of London
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Contested PROD for not being uncontroversial (though not by me). Appears to be original research, possible redirect to Joseph Mifsud? IgelRM ( talk) 22:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and United Kingdom. IgelRM ( talk) 22:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Education, and Schools. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No sources in the article provide SIGCOV. They are primary or press releases with no depth of coverage (Azerbaijan, check if recognized, GCU, opening of new), unreliable forums (houzz, diplomacy.edu), or not even mentioned (US News, Guardian). Nothing better found in my searching. We don't have to dig into the controversy or decide on its legitimacy to determine that it's not notable. — David Eppstein ( talk) 05:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect: I agree none of the current sources provide RS SIGCOV. I found this article in the Stirling Uni student newspaper
[1] and this in the BBC
[2]. The first may not be reliable and the latter might not be enough SIGCOV. There is this Guardian article which arguably is RS SIGCOV
[3]. In any case all the coverage seems to be in connection with
Joseph Mifsud. The Guardian article also makes clear the LAD no longer exists as does the Brig piece. In that context, it seems most sensible to me to keep it as a redirect to
Joseph Mifsud. Perhaps to a section on the LAD in that article? I'd be happy to create it.
Jtrrs0 (
talk)
15:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect seems ill advised since there is no mention of Joseph Mifsud in Diplomatic Academy of London and no mention of Diplomatic Academy of London in Joseph Mifsud. ~ Kvng ( talk) 17:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 00:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Deleteas WP:OR and per WP:TNT. The current article reads like an attack piece, and is full of errors which is why it should be deleted and not kept. The claims that these programs are not accredited is false. These are university departments inside respected research universities. There are several different university programs being confused, they are not the same program but multiple different university departments, many of them founded by the same academic, Nabil Ayad, who seems to have made a career setting up departments for UK research universities wanting to take in foreign students from outside the UK. The history here seems to have cobbled together these different non-affiliated programs (each university's department is separate to its own school) through a bunch of original research and spurious claims that are not cited to a reliable secondary sources. The London Academy of Diplomacy was a diplomatic studies department at the University of East Anglia for foreign students studying at the university and its diplomas are awarded through that institution. It closed in 2016.
- As for the Diplomatic Academy of London. It is a respectable institution/department that was for a long time housed at the University of Westminster (and still is sort of). It's listed as graduate diplomatic studies program at the University of Westminster in Bulletin - Economic and Social Committee of the European Communities. 1992. p. 109., "Overseas". Pacific Research: A Periodical of the Peace Research Centre. 5–6. Australian National University: 41. 1992. It was absorbed into the Westminster International University in Tashkent which is part of the University of Westminster. (see Can the Prizes Still Glitter?: The Future of British Universitites in a Changing World. University of Buckingham Press. 2007. p. 194. ISBN 9780955464201. which lists the school as part of the Westminster International University in Tashkent in 2007.) I can't find a source, but I would imagine that it was absorbed into that school in 2002 when Westminster restructured it diplomatic/international studies programs when the Westminster International University in Tashkent was founded. As far as I can tell the school is still a department inside the WIUT and offers its courses to foreign students in London and is accredited as part of the WIUT through which its students receive both graduate and post-graduate degrees from the WIUT.
- I found quite a lot of citations to publications by this organization, and coverage of some of their symposiums in reliable academic journals dating back as far is the mid 1990s. For example their symposium The Information Explosion : A Challenge for Diplomacy had coverage in The World Today,Volume 53, Issues 1-12 - page 158-159. The organization is listed as a reliable academic publisher in Behle, Sabine, ed. (1994). Publishers' International ISBN Directory/International ISBN Agency, Volume 1. K.G. Saur. p. 708. There's WP:SIGCOV in Demut, Andreas (ed.). Neue Ost-West-Wanderungen nach dem Fall des Eisernen Vorhangs?: Vorträge und Aufsätze der Konferenz über Neue Ost-West-Wanderungen als Folge der wirtschaftlichen und politischen Veränderungen in Mittel- und Osteuropa. Lit Verlag. p. 254-255. ISBN 9783825822224. The organization was also a partner with the United Nations for an Ocotber 25, 2002 symposium entitle The UN and the Media in War and Peace (see Ahmar, Moonis (ed.). Different Perceptions on Conflict Resolution Need for an Alternate Approach. Program on Peace Studies and Conflict Resolution, Department of International Relations, University of Karachi. p. 255. There's a lot more out there. All of this to say, we could have an article, but it's definitely not this article which is both factually wrong and a horribly unethical attack page. 4meter4 ( talk) 02:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe keep, although I am not typically a big fan of articles on individual university departments. I re-wrote the article to remove the OR. It's a stub. I also knocked off a stub on
London Academy of Diplomacy. Pinging
IgelRM,
David Eppstein,
The Herald, the article is vastly different now.
4meter4 (
talk)
04:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Entirely rewritten about a different topic now (good work), although I am not certain of this departments notability. Though the AFD process is a bit of mess now, maybe the previous version should still be deleted. IgelRM ( talk) 11:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ IgelRM It's a small enough article that we could always redirect and merge to Westminster International University in Tashkent per WP:ATD. It would be fine as a subsection of that article. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Redirect/merge or outright delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 02:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the rewritten article to Westminster International University in Tashkent as suggested above. Thanks to 4meter4 for the rewrite. Jfire ( talk) 04:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Still fairly young, but based on this page they have little to show for. The Banner talk 18:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Subject does not have sufficient notability to meet the WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Let'srun ( talk) 16:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Westminster International University in Tashkent: we have more than enough sources to establish verifiability, and do not need independent notability for a section in the target. The Delete !votes haven't presented any valid reason why the page shouldn't be allowed to stay as a redirect to a valid article. Owen× ☎ 20:27, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Westminster International University in Tashkent. Consensus is the rewrite fixed the content issues, but not the notability ones. Star Mississippi 01:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Diplomatic Academy of London
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Contested PROD for not being uncontroversial (though not by me). Appears to be original research, possible redirect to Joseph Mifsud? IgelRM ( talk) 22:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and United Kingdom. IgelRM ( talk) 22:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Education, and Schools. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No sources in the article provide SIGCOV. They are primary or press releases with no depth of coverage (Azerbaijan, check if recognized, GCU, opening of new), unreliable forums (houzz, diplomacy.edu), or not even mentioned (US News, Guardian). Nothing better found in my searching. We don't have to dig into the controversy or decide on its legitimacy to determine that it's not notable. — David Eppstein ( talk) 05:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect: I agree none of the current sources provide RS SIGCOV. I found this article in the Stirling Uni student newspaper
[1] and this in the BBC
[2]. The first may not be reliable and the latter might not be enough SIGCOV. There is this Guardian article which arguably is RS SIGCOV
[3]. In any case all the coverage seems to be in connection with
Joseph Mifsud. The Guardian article also makes clear the LAD no longer exists as does the Brig piece. In that context, it seems most sensible to me to keep it as a redirect to
Joseph Mifsud. Perhaps to a section on the LAD in that article? I'd be happy to create it.
Jtrrs0 (
talk)
15:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect seems ill advised since there is no mention of Joseph Mifsud in Diplomatic Academy of London and no mention of Diplomatic Academy of London in Joseph Mifsud. ~ Kvng ( talk) 17:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 00:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Deleteas WP:OR and per WP:TNT. The current article reads like an attack piece, and is full of errors which is why it should be deleted and not kept. The claims that these programs are not accredited is false. These are university departments inside respected research universities. There are several different university programs being confused, they are not the same program but multiple different university departments, many of them founded by the same academic, Nabil Ayad, who seems to have made a career setting up departments for UK research universities wanting to take in foreign students from outside the UK. The history here seems to have cobbled together these different non-affiliated programs (each university's department is separate to its own school) through a bunch of original research and spurious claims that are not cited to a reliable secondary sources. The London Academy of Diplomacy was a diplomatic studies department at the University of East Anglia for foreign students studying at the university and its diplomas are awarded through that institution. It closed in 2016.
- As for the Diplomatic Academy of London. It is a respectable institution/department that was for a long time housed at the University of Westminster (and still is sort of). It's listed as graduate diplomatic studies program at the University of Westminster in Bulletin - Economic and Social Committee of the European Communities. 1992. p. 109., "Overseas". Pacific Research: A Periodical of the Peace Research Centre. 5–6. Australian National University: 41. 1992. It was absorbed into the Westminster International University in Tashkent which is part of the University of Westminster. (see Can the Prizes Still Glitter?: The Future of British Universitites in a Changing World. University of Buckingham Press. 2007. p. 194. ISBN 9780955464201. which lists the school as part of the Westminster International University in Tashkent in 2007.) I can't find a source, but I would imagine that it was absorbed into that school in 2002 when Westminster restructured it diplomatic/international studies programs when the Westminster International University in Tashkent was founded. As far as I can tell the school is still a department inside the WIUT and offers its courses to foreign students in London and is accredited as part of the WIUT through which its students receive both graduate and post-graduate degrees from the WIUT.
- I found quite a lot of citations to publications by this organization, and coverage of some of their symposiums in reliable academic journals dating back as far is the mid 1990s. For example their symposium The Information Explosion : A Challenge for Diplomacy had coverage in The World Today,Volume 53, Issues 1-12 - page 158-159. The organization is listed as a reliable academic publisher in Behle, Sabine, ed. (1994). Publishers' International ISBN Directory/International ISBN Agency, Volume 1. K.G. Saur. p. 708. There's WP:SIGCOV in Demut, Andreas (ed.). Neue Ost-West-Wanderungen nach dem Fall des Eisernen Vorhangs?: Vorträge und Aufsätze der Konferenz über Neue Ost-West-Wanderungen als Folge der wirtschaftlichen und politischen Veränderungen in Mittel- und Osteuropa. Lit Verlag. p. 254-255. ISBN 9783825822224. The organization was also a partner with the United Nations for an Ocotber 25, 2002 symposium entitle The UN and the Media in War and Peace (see Ahmar, Moonis (ed.). Different Perceptions on Conflict Resolution Need for an Alternate Approach. Program on Peace Studies and Conflict Resolution, Department of International Relations, University of Karachi. p. 255. There's a lot more out there. All of this to say, we could have an article, but it's definitely not this article which is both factually wrong and a horribly unethical attack page. 4meter4 ( talk) 02:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe keep, although I am not typically a big fan of articles on individual university departments. I re-wrote the article to remove the OR. It's a stub. I also knocked off a stub on
London Academy of Diplomacy. Pinging
IgelRM,
David Eppstein,
The Herald, the article is vastly different now.
4meter4 (
talk)
04:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Entirely rewritten about a different topic now (good work), although I am not certain of this departments notability. Though the AFD process is a bit of mess now, maybe the previous version should still be deleted. IgelRM ( talk) 11:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ IgelRM It's a small enough article that we could always redirect and merge to Westminster International University in Tashkent per WP:ATD. It would be fine as a subsection of that article. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Redirect/merge or outright delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 02:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the rewritten article to Westminster International University in Tashkent as suggested above. Thanks to 4meter4 for the rewrite. Jfire ( talk) 04:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Still fairly young, but based on this page they have little to show for. The Banner talk 18:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Subject does not have sufficient notability to meet the WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Let'srun ( talk) 16:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Westminster International University in Tashkent: we have more than enough sources to establish verifiability, and do not need independent notability for a section in the target. The Delete !votes haven't presented any valid reason why the page shouldn't be allowed to stay as a redirect to a valid article. Owen× ☎ 20:27, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.