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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Dennis Levinson
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Non-notable county politician. Fails WP:POLITICIAN, "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article"." Can only be sourced to local newspapers. Rusf10 ( talk) 18:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 00:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Delete saw this and thought, he's probably from New Jersey, and there's probably one newspaper article source about how he's running for office. And then I clicked on it. SportingFlyer ( talk) 03:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Redirectto Atlantic County, New Jersey#Government and politics Djflem ( talk) 18:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC)- Delete county executives are not default notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Ivecos (t) 17:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Merge / Redirect
to Atlantic County, New Jerseyto County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey - As the current, directly elected county executive of Atlantic County, Levinson has a credible claim of notability, but a rather thin article at this time to support such a claim. As the county executive for this entire century, he is a credible search term and a merge of any relevant content to the article for the county would be -- and should have been from the start -- the appropriate course of action here. Rusf10 (and JPL) are both well aware that WP:Deletion Policy and WP:BEFORE all mandate consideration of alternatives to deletion, which has been systematically ignored here and in other, similar articles. Per policy "When discussing an article, remember to consider alternatives to deletion. If you think the article could be a disambiguation page, redirected or merged to another article, then consider recommending "Disambiguation", "Redirect" or "Merge" instead of deletion. Similarly, if another editor has proposed an alternative to deletion but you think the article should be deleted instead, please elaborate why." I look forward to an explanation of why redirect or merge were never considered as options up front and why none of those participating here have reconsidered their blanket delete votes or explained why they have declined to do so. Alansohn ( talk) 18:53, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Because of a lack of notability. If I search for Dennis Levinson, I don't expect to be taken to the Atlantic County page.
SportingFlyer (
talk) 19:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- And why not to Atlantic County, New Jersey#Government and politics? Djflem ( talk) 09:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- Exactly, he's just not notable enough and alansohn's proposed redirect target is inappropriate. ATD does not mean nothing can be deleted. It simply means to consider alternatives to delete, not an alternative must be found. And it does not mean once someone suggests an alternative (no matter how poor it is), that deletion can no longer be considered. I can only think of one other user (besides alansohn) who takes ATD to such an extreme interpretation (and that person is no longer contributing). It really irks me that alansohn throws out these really poor redirect targets and then demands that every person who disagrees with him provides him with a personal explanation of why. It's not the first time.--
Rusf10 (
talk) 03:11, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- And why not to
Atlantic County, New Jersey#Government and politics?
Djflem (
talk) 09:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- That's an article about the county. Yes, there is one sentence about him there. He's not notable enough and if people actually do search for him, they're not going to learn much from that redirect. And when he's no longer in office one day, the redirect will still go there and at that time there will be nothing about him--
Rusf10 (
talk) 15:36, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- With the creation of County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey, this discussion is basically moot; note that I struck out my original merge / redirect arget above and replaced it with the new article that already serves the purpose. The material regarding Dennis Levinson has been effectively merged into the new article, with the addition of more history about the creation of the county executive form of government and the other individuals who have served in the position. Thanks to Djflem and all of those who have put up the good fight by working to expand and improve this encyclopedia! Alansohn ( talk) 18:26, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- That's an article about the county. Yes, there is one sentence about him there. He's not notable enough and if people actually do search for him, they're not going to learn much from that redirect. And when he's no longer in office one day, the redirect will still go there and at that time there will be nothing about him--
Rusf10 (
talk) 15:36, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- And why not to
Atlantic County, New Jersey#Government and politics?
Djflem (
talk) 09:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Merge/redirect to better target: County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey. Djflem ( talk) 19:11, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Comment- see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey
- Delete basically per nom. Healthy dose of WP:TOOSOON as well. Just not enough available at this time to establish notability. I also agree that the redirect suggested above is inappropriate, so a merge is the worst choice. Rockypedia ( talk) 02:37, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Merge I don't know if WP:TOOSOON applies, this article is 13 years old. But if deletion rules the day, at least a redirect to County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey as per Alansohn. SEMMENDINGER ( talk) 18:27, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Dennis Levinson
- Dennis Levinson ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable county politician. Fails WP:POLITICIAN, "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article"." Can only be sourced to local newspapers. Rusf10 ( talk) 18:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 00:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Delete saw this and thought, he's probably from New Jersey, and there's probably one newspaper article source about how he's running for office. And then I clicked on it. SportingFlyer ( talk) 03:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Redirectto Atlantic County, New Jersey#Government and politics Djflem ( talk) 18:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC)- Delete county executives are not default notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Ivecos (t) 17:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Merge / Redirect
to Atlantic County, New Jerseyto County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey - As the current, directly elected county executive of Atlantic County, Levinson has a credible claim of notability, but a rather thin article at this time to support such a claim. As the county executive for this entire century, he is a credible search term and a merge of any relevant content to the article for the county would be -- and should have been from the start -- the appropriate course of action here. Rusf10 (and JPL) are both well aware that WP:Deletion Policy and WP:BEFORE all mandate consideration of alternatives to deletion, which has been systematically ignored here and in other, similar articles. Per policy "When discussing an article, remember to consider alternatives to deletion. If you think the article could be a disambiguation page, redirected or merged to another article, then consider recommending "Disambiguation", "Redirect" or "Merge" instead of deletion. Similarly, if another editor has proposed an alternative to deletion but you think the article should be deleted instead, please elaborate why." I look forward to an explanation of why redirect or merge were never considered as options up front and why none of those participating here have reconsidered their blanket delete votes or explained why they have declined to do so. Alansohn ( talk) 18:53, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Because of a lack of notability. If I search for Dennis Levinson, I don't expect to be taken to the Atlantic County page.
SportingFlyer (
talk) 19:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- And why not to Atlantic County, New Jersey#Government and politics? Djflem ( talk) 09:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- Exactly, he's just not notable enough and alansohn's proposed redirect target is inappropriate. ATD does not mean nothing can be deleted. It simply means to consider alternatives to delete, not an alternative must be found. And it does not mean once someone suggests an alternative (no matter how poor it is), that deletion can no longer be considered. I can only think of one other user (besides alansohn) who takes ATD to such an extreme interpretation (and that person is no longer contributing). It really irks me that alansohn throws out these really poor redirect targets and then demands that every person who disagrees with him provides him with a personal explanation of why. It's not the first time.--
Rusf10 (
talk) 03:11, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- And why not to
Atlantic County, New Jersey#Government and politics?
Djflem (
talk) 09:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- That's an article about the county. Yes, there is one sentence about him there. He's not notable enough and if people actually do search for him, they're not going to learn much from that redirect. And when he's no longer in office one day, the redirect will still go there and at that time there will be nothing about him--
Rusf10 (
talk) 15:36, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- With the creation of County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey, this discussion is basically moot; note that I struck out my original merge / redirect arget above and replaced it with the new article that already serves the purpose. The material regarding Dennis Levinson has been effectively merged into the new article, with the addition of more history about the creation of the county executive form of government and the other individuals who have served in the position. Thanks to Djflem and all of those who have put up the good fight by working to expand and improve this encyclopedia! Alansohn ( talk) 18:26, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- That's an article about the county. Yes, there is one sentence about him there. He's not notable enough and if people actually do search for him, they're not going to learn much from that redirect. And when he's no longer in office one day, the redirect will still go there and at that time there will be nothing about him--
Rusf10 (
talk) 15:36, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
- And why not to
Atlantic County, New Jersey#Government and politics?
Djflem (
talk) 09:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Merge/redirect to better target: County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey. Djflem ( talk) 19:11, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Comment- see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey
- Delete basically per nom. Healthy dose of WP:TOOSOON as well. Just not enough available at this time to establish notability. I also agree that the redirect suggested above is inappropriate, so a merge is the worst choice. Rockypedia ( talk) 02:37, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Merge I don't know if WP:TOOSOON applies, this article is 13 years old. But if deletion rules the day, at least a redirect to County executives of Atlantic County, New Jersey as per Alansohn. SEMMENDINGER ( talk) 18:27, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.