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The result was merge to Demogorgon. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:05, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Demogorgon (Dungeons & Dragons)
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Fictional character. No evidence of stand-alone notability. Not a shred of analysis. Pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails WP:PLOT, WP:GNG, WP:NFICTION. BEFORE shows nothing that's not in passing or a plot summary. Deprodded by User:Necrothesp with no rationale. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep or at worst fully merge to List of demon lords in Dungeons & Dragons. Deleting information serves no useful purpose even if a standalone article is not kept. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:01, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep or at worst merge to List of demon lords in Dungeons & Dragons per above. BOZ ( talk) 15:37, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable fancruft that fails WP:GNG. There is no merge target that isn't also failing WP:LISTN. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 22:54, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. I'll point out that the first two keep votes contain no valid rationale. AfD WP:ITSNOTAVOTE, please. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Demogorgon, the article on the supposed mythological figure that it is named after. That article could use some work at organizing the information a bit better, but the D&D version is already mentioned there as a depiction of it in later works. While the non-primary sourcing on this isn't the greatest, the fact that Stranger Things popularized the creature's name probably warrants it having some brief information and redirect there as a likely search. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:58, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- keep or full merge Demogorgon article (not the list). Stranger Things among other recent appearances confer significant coverage and notability on the specific D&D Demogorgon. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 23:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect - Current sourcing fails GNG. The appearance in ST would most likely amount to little in terms of significant coverage in sources, so I don't think that holds much promise of improvement. TTN ( talk) 00:01, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to Demogorgon. I've said it before: I think some of these articles would be better served as add-ons to articles for the original mythological creatures, with something like a modern interpretations or representations section. I can only find passing mentions of the creature in independent source books like Dungeons & Dragons: Art and Arcana. The Stranger Things connection definitely boosts notability a bit, but perhaps not enough for a standalone. The discussion in Uncovering Stranger Things (see "Monsters and Moral Panics" starting on page 60, especially pages 63–64) is a little meatier, but it's still not quite enough. I think it would be a good addition to a D&D section in the main article though. — Torchiest talk edits 13:45, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- comment added another citation for the physical description of the specific D&D Demogorgon to the article. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 10:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fictional. Not a shred of analysis. Pure PLOT. Fails GNG and NFICTION. Kacper IV ( talk) 11:58, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Demogorgon. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:05, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Demogorgon (Dungeons & Dragons)
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Fictional character. No evidence of stand-alone notability. Not a shred of analysis. Pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails WP:PLOT, WP:GNG, WP:NFICTION. BEFORE shows nothing that's not in passing or a plot summary. Deprodded by User:Necrothesp with no rationale. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 10:50, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 10:50, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep or at worst fully merge to List of demon lords in Dungeons & Dragons. Deleting information serves no useful purpose even if a standalone article is not kept. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:01, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep or at worst merge to List of demon lords in Dungeons & Dragons per above. BOZ ( talk) 15:37, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable fancruft that fails WP:GNG. There is no merge target that isn't also failing WP:LISTN. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 22:54, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. I'll point out that the first two keep votes contain no valid rationale. AfD WP:ITSNOTAVOTE, please. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Demogorgon, the article on the supposed mythological figure that it is named after. That article could use some work at organizing the information a bit better, but the D&D version is already mentioned there as a depiction of it in later works. While the non-primary sourcing on this isn't the greatest, the fact that Stranger Things popularized the creature's name probably warrants it having some brief information and redirect there as a likely search. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:58, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- keep or full merge Demogorgon article (not the list). Stranger Things among other recent appearances confer significant coverage and notability on the specific D&D Demogorgon. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 23:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect - Current sourcing fails GNG. The appearance in ST would most likely amount to little in terms of significant coverage in sources, so I don't think that holds much promise of improvement. TTN ( talk) 00:01, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to Demogorgon. I've said it before: I think some of these articles would be better served as add-ons to articles for the original mythological creatures, with something like a modern interpretations or representations section. I can only find passing mentions of the creature in independent source books like Dungeons & Dragons: Art and Arcana. The Stranger Things connection definitely boosts notability a bit, but perhaps not enough for a standalone. The discussion in Uncovering Stranger Things (see "Monsters and Moral Panics" starting on page 60, especially pages 63–64) is a little meatier, but it's still not quite enough. I think it would be a good addition to a D&D section in the main article though. — Torchiest talk edits 13:45, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
- comment added another citation for the physical description of the specific D&D Demogorgon to the article. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 10:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fictional. Not a shred of analysis. Pure PLOT. Fails GNG and NFICTION. Kacper IV ( talk) 11:58, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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