WIKIPEDIA:ARTICLES FOR DELETION DJ SEIP

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The result was delete. Minus all the socks, consensus is that the subject is not notable. Sandstein 06:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC) reply

DJ Seip

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Non-notable musician, can find no coverage in RS and after removal of iTunes "sources", I can find no evidence this person has charted in anything that would qualify under WP:NMUSIC. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 10:56, 27 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Lots of sockpuppetry

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Keep Based on the information given on WP:NMUSIC, "Musicians ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria ... 2) Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.", the musician qualifies as a notable musician. The source (publisher) and given reference links to chart placements seem qualified based on the information found on WP:CHART, "A chart is normally considered suitable for inclusion if it meets both of the following characteristics: 1) It is published by a recognized reliable source. ... 2) It covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources.". The Source is even listed on Wikipedia Deutsche Black Charts. Through a google search it was very easy to find multiple interviews and reviews of the musicians music and persona on several online publications and radio stations, including even radio chart placements in different countries. Salkin25 ( talk) 06:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC) — Salkin25 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

Struck as a sock. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:59, 11 November 2017 (UTC) reply

I am a little confused as to why the chart references given are not qualifiable. They are national music charts published in digital and print format, displayed on TV stations MTV and VIVA Germany, major radio stations like KissFM and JamFM and many more, on the german MusikWoche as well as the famous german music magazine Backspin Hip Hop Magazin, just to name a few. Other than that, the musician is also on multiple radio station websites visible in charts, has movie credits on IMDb, interviews which can be found through a simple google search and has also been referenced in the WP article. Can you please explain the delete action more detailed as to why this seems to be the case for you? FrankKoch ( talk) 09:13, 28 October 2017 (UTC) — FrankKoch ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

Blocked for sockpuppetry. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:41, 16 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Since there has been no response or conversation initiated from Chrissymad to resolve this, i am going to put the result as keep. {{Old AfD multi|page=DJ Seip|date=27 October 2017|result='''keep'''}} Sebastiannrk ( talk) 15:56, 1 November 2017 (UTC) — Sebastiannrk ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

Blocked for sockpuppetry. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:41, 16 November 2017 (UTC) reply

driveby admin comment that's not how this works. Deletion discussions run for a minimum of seven days (technically 168 hours) unless there is an overwhelming or clear reason to close early. Sometimes they can be relisted if more input is needed. The fact that the nominator has not responded to your comments or questions does not mean they have changed their mind or that their original post is invalidated. I've also commented out your template use. Primefac ( talk) 15:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC) reply

More sockpuppetry

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Keep Im new so i don't know if my input counts, but i think based on the information i found in Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, the sources of information (references to the text in the article) seem to quality as RS. Haven't read about notability yet as I'm new, but the chart placements and fact that the he is on multiple tv formats sounds like he is a notable person. John Thornton1985 ( talk) 23:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)— John Thornton1985 ( talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Struck as a sock. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:59, 11 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Keep in Wikipedia:Notability it says "Reliable means sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability.." and "Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.". Looking at that the musician is notable as he has multiple sources talking about him in current time as in past time. There are high class sources such as his TV formats and print magazine interview, and lower level sources such as the digital interviews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsmehomies ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 9 November 2017 (UTC) — Itsmehomies ( talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Struck as a sock. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 19:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC) reply

At CHRISSYMAD, multiple RS found. The referenced print interview is RS^[1], please check Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for further information on what qualifies as RS. Further more, the chart placements are considered as qualifiable. Its a national chart in Germany, which is criteria for a chart placement to be referenced within wikipedia based on WP:NMUSIC. Example of Chart placements meant: ^[2]. The artist description is based on RS solely. ^[3] qualifies as RS based on Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. The publisher Actmondo is a notable company in germany managing high profile peronas such as Mehrzad Marashi, and actor Mustafa Alin^[4]. Keep FrankKoch ( talk) 00:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC) — FrankKoch ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply

Blocked for sockpuppetry. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:41, 16 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom and failing GNG and SNG. L3X1 (distænt write) 02:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply

References

^ "wordhcmc.com/images/printmag/The_Word_Ho_Chi_Minh_City_December_2010.pdf" (PDF). Word HCMC. Retrieved 9 November 2017.
^ "Detusche TrendchartsDUC Charts 34 - Deutsche Trendcharts". trendcharts. Retrieved 9 November 2017.
^ "DJ Seip - Actmondo". Actmondo. Retrieved 9 November 2017.
^ "Mustafa Alin - Wikipedia". wikipedia. {{ cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= ( help)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Could use more input from experienced editors.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, A Train^talk 07:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete per Wikipedia:Notability. Also, a note, the presence of sockpuppet accounts further convinces me that the page was written as an autobiography. TBH, I would've probably tagged the page under CSD for promotion. Dark-World25 ( talk) 11:35, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply

A different sockpuppet

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Delete: little indication of notability with regards to WP:MUSICBIO. The ballot-stuffing above is also somewhat concerning. Janet-O ( talk) 12:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Striking out sockpuppet !vote. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:32, 16 November 2017 (UTC) reply

More sockpuppetry

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The artist is listed within several major Television Networks. ^[1] ^[2]

Based on WP:MUSICBIO, "Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network." the artist is notable. The major televion credits are there as the artist is on the website. There is no offical links to the footage, but since it is TV and not online that is not possible to provide a link. Further more the artist has been featured as most played song on the nationally wide broadcasted radio station Sputnik (radio station). There is also no offical link to that, since that is updated daily and has no archive as far as i can find. A screenshot of the occurance has been posted by the artist on his verified facebook profile though which is linked here as reference. That should qualify the artist as notable, is that correct? I will search for more on the internet of official website references to broadcast radio. FrankKoch ( talk) 16:30, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Struck as a sock. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:59, 11 November 2017 (UTC) reply

~~I also found a previous post, which was dated 5 days earlier on the 15.september 2015.^[3] FrankKoch ( talk) 16:57, 10 November 2017 (UTC)~~ reply

The music of the artist has also been played on the national wide radio station Alex Berlin. Information about qualifing the station can be found here^[4]. The audio reference where his song DJ Seip Ft. MNSSH - Like the Fugees was aired cant be added to wikipedia because its on mixcloud only. Search Google for "URBN Beats 16.12.2016 MNSSH ALEX Berlin". It might not qualify as a reliable source since its not the official website, but again something like is not hosted on a radios website for years in an archive as far as i can see. The german Radios dont archive anything for long periods of times. Can anyone give me advice on how to find these official references to this? is there like a government page or something where these things are stored which can be referenced? FrankKoch ( talk) 17:10, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply

Blocked for sockpuppetry.-- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:41, 16 November 2017 (UTC) reply

^ "Artists - MTV". mtv.
^ "DJ seip Ft. Mnssh - Künstler - VIVA". viva.
^ "DJ Seip - Photos". facebook.
^ "Alex Offener Kanal Berlin". wikipedia.

Comment Per a SPI many of the above Keeps are confirmed socks that need to be struck pending their actual indef-blocking. L3X1 (distænt write) 17:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply
Keep Ban all the socks; strike their comments. But the musician is notable. The article notes several entries into the Deutsche Black Charts, the German equivalent of the US's Hot R&B/Hip Hop Songs, and his most recent single did, indeed, reach #12 on that chart. [1] Meets WP:MUSIC with a charting single. Prior "delete" !votes seem to have overweighted the sockpuppetry and not taken into account actual evidence of notability - closing admin, please take note. Chubbles ( talk) 23:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC) reply
Delete - Appears that the subject charted in Germany (and therefore may be notable per WP:MUSICBIO). However coverage in reliable sources is woeful, and therefore doesn't appear to clear the threshold of WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Perhaps WP:TOOSOON. -- Jack Frost ( talk) 11:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC) reply
If the subject meets WP:MUSIC (and the claim is substantiated with WP:V, as it is here), the article shouldn't need to meet WP:GNG as well; otherwise, there would be no need to have WP:MUSIC at all. WP:MUSIC point 1 is the GNG, and then eleven more criteria are listed. Chubbles ( talk) 21:08, 13 November 2017 (UTC) reply

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[1] "wordhcmc.com/images/printmag/The_Word_Ho_Chi_Minh_City_December_2010.pdf" (PDF). Word HCMC. Retrieved 9 November 2017.

[2] "Detusche TrendchartsDUC Charts 34 - Deutsche Trendcharts". trendcharts. Retrieved 9 November 2017.

[3] "DJ Seip - Actmondo". Actmondo. Retrieved 9 November 2017.

[4] "Mustafa Alin - Wikipedia". wikipedia. {{ cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= ( help)

[5] "Artists - MTV". mtv.

[6] "DJ seip Ft. Mnssh - Künstler - VIVA". viva.

[7] "DJ Seip - Photos". facebook.

[8] "Alex Offener Kanal Berlin". wikipedia.

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