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The result was redirect to Crown Estate. Because material was moved, I think we need the redirect for attribution. Otherwise this would have been clear consensus to delete. If we don't since it's the same editor, happy to re-close. Star Mississippi 13:36, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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This is a WP:POVFORK of Crown Estate. As the lead says, the Crown Estate is not separate by country, although, in fact, it is devolved in Scotland as Crown Estate Scotland, but it is not devolved in Wales. As such there is no specific subject of Crown Estate Wales, although Crown Estate England and Wales, could be argued for. The problem with this POVfork is that it is essentially just a page on which arguments for devolving the estate can be rehearsed. This looks like advocacy. We already have Welsh Devolution and discussion in Crown Estate, and specific page just to rehearse these arguments, that adds nothing that cannot be covered in the parent article, is a clear POVfork. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 17:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Sirfurboy🏄 (
talk)
17:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep (2nd choice: Merge) - This is clearly a topic of significant debate and
WP:Notability in Wales. This is a
WP:RELAR and/or
WP:SPINOFF to
Crown Estate. The Crown Estate also publishes annual "Highlight of Wales" report. (It's also worth noting that
Crown Estate is already quite long.)
Titus Gold (
talk)
18:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC) — Note to closing admin:
Titus Gold (
talk •
contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this
AfD.
- It can't be a spinoff when you only added the devolution information to that article for the first time today. [1] The Crown Estate articles size is about 4,200 words, which, per WP:SIZERULE, does not justify division. Also to note that while the first edit says this is a translation of a page on Welsh Wikipedia, you made that article on Welsh Wikipedia just before creating this article here. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 19:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep (2nd choice: Merge) - This is clearly a topic of significant debate and
WP:Notability in Wales. This is a
WP:RELAR and/or
WP:SPINOFF to
Crown Estate. The Crown Estate also publishes annual "Highlight of Wales" report. (It's also worth noting that
Crown Estate is already quite long.)
Titus Gold (
talk)
18:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC) — Note to closing admin:
Titus Gold (
talk •
contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this
AfD.
- Delete per nomination. There has been a recent history of the creation of these POV forks to separate Wales and welsh topics from the rest of the UK with no rational basis. Unhelpful. Velella Velella Talk 20:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, it's already covered sufficiently in the Crown Estate and Proposed further Welsh devolution articles. This is basically a COATRACK for a "Calls to devolve the Crown Estate to Wales" article. Sionk ( talk) 22:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete not an encyclopedic topic in its own right; as it stands it's mostly about about calls for devolution, better, if not already, covered elsewhere.
Llwyld (
talk)
22:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- As I mentioned this is clearly a topic of significant debate and WP:Notability in Wales and so has a significant rational basis in my view. The devolution is only one large aspect of the page following much media reports, but it is not the main focus. I do think that WP:RELAR and/or WP:SPINOFF applies but respect majority opinion. (The Crown Estate does publish annual "Highlight of Wales" report as previously mentioned.)
- I've moved info over to Crown Estate in anticipation of a delete. Titus Gold ( talk) 03:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Crown Estate. Because material was moved, I think we need the redirect for attribution. Otherwise this would have been clear consensus to delete. If we don't since it's the same editor, happy to re-close. Star Mississippi 13:36, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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- Crown Estate in Wales ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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This is a WP:POVFORK of Crown Estate. As the lead says, the Crown Estate is not separate by country, although, in fact, it is devolved in Scotland as Crown Estate Scotland, but it is not devolved in Wales. As such there is no specific subject of Crown Estate Wales, although Crown Estate England and Wales, could be argued for. The problem with this POVfork is that it is essentially just a page on which arguments for devolving the estate can be rehearsed. This looks like advocacy. We already have Welsh Devolution and discussion in Crown Estate, and specific page just to rehearse these arguments, that adds nothing that cannot be covered in the parent article, is a clear POVfork. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 17:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
United Kingdom and
Wales.
Sirfurboy🏄 (
talk)
17:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep (2nd choice: Merge) - This is clearly a topic of significant debate and
WP:Notability in Wales. This is a
WP:RELAR and/or
WP:SPINOFF to
Crown Estate. The Crown Estate also publishes annual "Highlight of Wales" report. (It's also worth noting that
Crown Estate is already quite long.)
Titus Gold (
talk)
18:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC) — Note to closing admin:
Titus Gold (
talk •
contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this
AfD.
- It can't be a spinoff when you only added the devolution information to that article for the first time today. [1] The Crown Estate articles size is about 4,200 words, which, per WP:SIZERULE, does not justify division. Also to note that while the first edit says this is a translation of a page on Welsh Wikipedia, you made that article on Welsh Wikipedia just before creating this article here. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 19:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep (2nd choice: Merge) - This is clearly a topic of significant debate and
WP:Notability in Wales. This is a
WP:RELAR and/or
WP:SPINOFF to
Crown Estate. The Crown Estate also publishes annual "Highlight of Wales" report. (It's also worth noting that
Crown Estate is already quite long.)
Titus Gold (
talk)
18:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC) — Note to closing admin:
Titus Gold (
talk •
contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this
AfD.
- Delete per nomination. There has been a recent history of the creation of these POV forks to separate Wales and welsh topics from the rest of the UK with no rational basis. Unhelpful. Velella Velella Talk 20:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, it's already covered sufficiently in the Crown Estate and Proposed further Welsh devolution articles. This is basically a COATRACK for a "Calls to devolve the Crown Estate to Wales" article. Sionk ( talk) 22:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete not an encyclopedic topic in its own right; as it stands it's mostly about about calls for devolution, better, if not already, covered elsewhere.
Llwyld (
talk)
22:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- As I mentioned this is clearly a topic of significant debate and WP:Notability in Wales and so has a significant rational basis in my view. The devolution is only one large aspect of the page following much media reports, but it is not the main focus. I do think that WP:RELAR and/or WP:SPINOFF applies but respect majority opinion. (The Crown Estate does publish annual "Highlight of Wales" report as previously mentioned.)
- I've moved info over to Crown Estate in anticipation of a delete. Titus Gold ( talk) 03:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.