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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 04:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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I can't find anything about this band at all that's not self-published or online music track listings. I think it says something that all of the band members and all but one of the album releases are red-linked (I'm gonna AfD that one album too, doesn't seem to be notable either). If I'm just using bad search times during my WP:BEFORE, I'd be happy to be corrected. Hog Farm ( talk) 04:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment. A quick Google found these: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], plus several others discussion the band members links to other bands. Given the common membership with Wintersleep, at the very least I would have thought that a merge there would be in order. -- Michig ( talk) 18:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- That wouldn't work, because they also have crossover membership with Holy Fuck, thus setting up an WP:XY issue. Bearcat ( talk) 20:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I'm going to grant that a few of the sources in the article need to be replaced — Chart Attack, for example, has gotten cybersquatted, so those links are now leading to advertorial spreads for inflatable air mattresses and office chairs instead of the original magazine articles about Contrived — but there are several decent sources still present, including Exclaim! and The Coast, and the broken references are replaceable. The issue here isn't that sources don't exist, it's just that the band haven't been active since 2008, so their sourcing doesn't Google well a decade later and will have to be recovered from newspaper archives. I am getting ProQuest hits with which the sourcing problems here can be fixed, however. Bearcat ( talk) 20:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Update: Sourcing fixed; it's now up to 13 footnotes, with nearly all of the new ones being from major-market daily newspapers. All the dead ones are gone, although I was able to recover one of the Chart Attack pieces through Wayback and changed the weblink accordingly. I will admit that a couple of them have more Wintersleepy than Contrivedy headlines, but they do address Contrived as well. And I haven't even dealt with the sources Michig found yet, either: one was just a repeat of a source already present in the article, but the other four will just help pad out the article even further. Bearcat ( talk) 21:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep per Bearcat. Great job with this. Aoba47 ( talk) 04:06, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per [[WP:HEY] the article has been significantly improved with the addition of multiple reliable sources and the pre-existing sources that show significant coverage in reliable sources so that WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC are passed, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 23:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 04:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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I can't find anything about this band at all that's not self-published or online music track listings. I think it says something that all of the band members and all but one of the album releases are red-linked (I'm gonna AfD that one album too, doesn't seem to be notable either). If I'm just using bad search times during my WP:BEFORE, I'd be happy to be corrected. Hog Farm ( talk) 04:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm ( talk) 05:16, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. A quick Google found these: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], plus several others discussion the band members links to other bands. Given the common membership with Wintersleep, at the very least I would have thought that a merge there would be in order. -- Michig ( talk) 18:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- That wouldn't work, because they also have crossover membership with Holy Fuck, thus setting up an WP:XY issue. Bearcat ( talk) 20:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I'm going to grant that a few of the sources in the article need to be replaced — Chart Attack, for example, has gotten cybersquatted, so those links are now leading to advertorial spreads for inflatable air mattresses and office chairs instead of the original magazine articles about Contrived — but there are several decent sources still present, including Exclaim! and The Coast, and the broken references are replaceable. The issue here isn't that sources don't exist, it's just that the band haven't been active since 2008, so their sourcing doesn't Google well a decade later and will have to be recovered from newspaper archives. I am getting ProQuest hits with which the sourcing problems here can be fixed, however. Bearcat ( talk) 20:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Update: Sourcing fixed; it's now up to 13 footnotes, with nearly all of the new ones being from major-market daily newspapers. All the dead ones are gone, although I was able to recover one of the Chart Attack pieces through Wayback and changed the weblink accordingly. I will admit that a couple of them have more Wintersleepy than Contrivedy headlines, but they do address Contrived as well. And I haven't even dealt with the sources Michig found yet, either: one was just a repeat of a source already present in the article, but the other four will just help pad out the article even further. Bearcat ( talk) 21:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep per Bearcat. Great job with this. Aoba47 ( talk) 04:06, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per [[WP:HEY] the article has been significantly improved with the addition of multiple reliable sources and the pre-existing sources that show significant coverage in reliable sources so that WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC are passed, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 23:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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