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The result was keep. Geschichte ( talk) 19:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Her notability seems to center on:
- being one of Chief Kamiakin's five wives.
- participating in the Battle of Four Lakes where she was "armed with a stone war club, vowing to fight by his side. When Kamiakin was wounded, Colestah carried him off and used her skills in traditional tribal medicine to nurse him back to health".
In source after source, this is pretty much all that is mentioned about her. See: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7].
Being married to someone famous, or being notable for one event, does not support notability. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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- KEEP this should have just placed a stub label on it. There is likely more to contribute, but from other book sources. Juju ( talk) 22:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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Jujucabana: Could you list some other book sources which have additional information to support notability?
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- @ Magnolia677: No, this is not my area of expertise, but I think that this should be listed as a stub until someone who writes on Native American history cares to further elaborate it. We don’t have a wide array material on Wikipedia including this type of history, so marking it with a stub label will encourage researchers on this topic to fill in more information. Juju ( talk) 22:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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Jujucabana: Could you list some other book sources which have additional information to support notability?
Magnolia677 (
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22:10, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 01:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 01:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The sources are excellent and the article is adequate. We are an encyclopedia and it is quite normal for encyclopedias to have brief entries. If it works, don't fix it. Andrew🐉( talk) 12:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep – per WP:BIO. She has an entry in The Encyclopedia of Amazons: Women Warriors from Antiquity to the Modern Era, which is analogous to an entry in a Dictionary of National Biography. While BPL1E is noted in the nom, she has been mentioned in many books over the years in relation to the Battle of Four Lakes (Battle of Spokane Plains) and Yakama history. [8] It will probably remain stub-sized until physical library research can be done. However even stub articles on notable women add value to the encyclopedia. Netherzone ( talk) 18:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: In addition to the sources already present in the article, I added Spokane & the Inland Empire: An Interior Pacific Northwest Anthology (2005) and Renegade Tribe: The Palouse Indians and the Invasion of the Inland Pacific Northwest (1986). I believe that this demonstrates notability. — Toughpigs ( talk) 18:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Geschichte ( talk) 19:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Colestah
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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Her notability seems to center on:
- being one of Chief Kamiakin's five wives.
- participating in the Battle of Four Lakes where she was "armed with a stone war club, vowing to fight by his side. When Kamiakin was wounded, Colestah carried him off and used her skills in traditional tribal medicine to nurse him back to health".
In source after source, this is pretty much all that is mentioned about her. See: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7].
Being married to someone famous, or being notable for one event, does not support notability. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 18:30, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Idaho-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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- KEEP this should have just placed a stub label on it. There is likely more to contribute, but from other book sources. Juju ( talk) 22:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- @
Jujucabana: Could you list some other book sources which have additional information to support notability?
Magnolia677 (
talk)
22:10, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- @ Magnolia677: No, this is not my area of expertise, but I think that this should be listed as a stub until someone who writes on Native American history cares to further elaborate it. We don’t have a wide array material on Wikipedia including this type of history, so marking it with a stub label will encourage researchers on this topic to fill in more information. Juju ( talk) 22:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- @
Jujucabana: Could you list some other book sources which have additional information to support notability?
Magnolia677 (
talk)
22:10, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 01:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 01:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The sources are excellent and the article is adequate. We are an encyclopedia and it is quite normal for encyclopedias to have brief entries. If it works, don't fix it. Andrew🐉( talk) 12:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep – per WP:BIO. She has an entry in The Encyclopedia of Amazons: Women Warriors from Antiquity to the Modern Era, which is analogous to an entry in a Dictionary of National Biography. While BPL1E is noted in the nom, she has been mentioned in many books over the years in relation to the Battle of Four Lakes (Battle of Spokane Plains) and Yakama history. [8] It will probably remain stub-sized until physical library research can be done. However even stub articles on notable women add value to the encyclopedia. Netherzone ( talk) 18:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: In addition to the sources already present in the article, I added Spokane & the Inland Empire: An Interior Pacific Northwest Anthology (2005) and Renegade Tribe: The Palouse Indians and the Invasion of the Inland Pacific Northwest (1986). I believe that this demonstrates notability. — Toughpigs ( talk) 18:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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