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The result was keep. WP:HEY Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:58, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
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Entirely unsourced BLP where subject herself appears to have written majority of the content in non-encyclopedic promotional tone. Likely fails
WP:NPROF and
WP:NMUSIC. Appears to be textbook case of
WP:NOTCV.
Melmann
18:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- In light of the sources which were surfaced below, as well as improvements to sourcing to the article since this nomination, I withdraw claims of "unsourced" and "lack of notability". I am even tempted to withdraw the nomination entirely, but the promotional language inserted by the subject still seems to be a notable problem to me. Maybe draftify? Or delete without prejudice for recreation? I'm really not sure.
Melmann
22:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment If the article is kept, I intend to continue working on it. Your major remaining criticism appears to be content-related: specifically the lack of NPOV via the earlier COI contributions. I am willing to reduce these non-encyclopaedic and promotional sections. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 10:32, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I've done my bit. I believe it is more neutral and better sourced. Some content from COI contributor remains at about 10% but its tone has been checked by me to reduce promotional and unencyclopaedic tone. I'm moving on. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 03:06, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- In light of the sources which were surfaced below, as well as improvements to sourcing to the article since this nomination, I withdraw claims of "unsourced" and "lack of notability". I am even tempted to withdraw the nomination entirely, but the promotional language inserted by the subject still seems to be a notable problem to me. Maybe draftify? Or delete without prejudice for recreation? I'm really not sure.
Melmann
22:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete: The claim that she was head of the school gave me pause, but based on Google Scholar [1] she will fail WP:NPROF and WP:NMUSIC. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 18:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 19:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Oaktree b ( talk) 21:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 21:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As per above. Setreis ( talk) 17:26, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Multiple-award winner per this, articles about or by artist here, 62 works by artist here. She was the featured subject of a broadcasts on ABC radio per 1, 2, 3, 4. The wp article certainly has issues both COI and poor and/or self-citing but the subject is nevertheless notable according to WP:MUSICBIO. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 11:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)11:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Winning two APRA Art Music Awards makes her notable enough for me.
Boneymau (
talk)
22:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, Actually she has won three: 2011, 2014 and 2020 (latter shared). shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 11:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Agree with the above 2 keep votes. Awards are significant and meet the requirements of music bio guidelines. Lesliechin1 ( talk) 05:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep A review of the sources cited and awards won indicate that this is a notable subject. These are enough to at least pass GNG. Luciapop ( talk) 10:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, satisfies WP:MUSICBIO. Dan arndt ( talk) 02:45, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO have been met thanks to the improvements to the article that were made by Shaidar cuebiyar WP:HEY. Netherzone ( talk) 21:28, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved with extra content supported by significant coverage in multiple reliable sources so that WP:GNG is passed. Also she has won multiple notable awards so that WP:NMUSIC is also passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY, now meets WP:MUSICBIO. Deus et lex ( talk) 22:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. WP:HEY Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:58, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
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Entirely unsourced BLP where subject herself appears to have written majority of the content in non-encyclopedic promotional tone. Likely fails
WP:NPROF and
WP:NMUSIC. Appears to be textbook case of
WP:NOTCV.
Melmann
18:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- In light of the sources which were surfaced below, as well as improvements to sourcing to the article since this nomination, I withdraw claims of "unsourced" and "lack of notability". I am even tempted to withdraw the nomination entirely, but the promotional language inserted by the subject still seems to be a notable problem to me. Maybe draftify? Or delete without prejudice for recreation? I'm really not sure.
Melmann
22:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment If the article is kept, I intend to continue working on it. Your major remaining criticism appears to be content-related: specifically the lack of NPOV via the earlier COI contributions. I am willing to reduce these non-encyclopaedic and promotional sections. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 10:32, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I've done my bit. I believe it is more neutral and better sourced. Some content from COI contributor remains at about 10% but its tone has been checked by me to reduce promotional and unencyclopaedic tone. I'm moving on. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 03:06, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
- In light of the sources which were surfaced below, as well as improvements to sourcing to the article since this nomination, I withdraw claims of "unsourced" and "lack of notability". I am even tempted to withdraw the nomination entirely, but the promotional language inserted by the subject still seems to be a notable problem to me. Maybe draftify? Or delete without prejudice for recreation? I'm really not sure.
Melmann
22:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Melmann 18:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Melmann 18:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Melmann 18:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: The claim that she was head of the school gave me pause, but based on Google Scholar [1] she will fail WP:NPROF and WP:NMUSIC. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 18:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 19:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Oaktree b ( talk) 21:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith ( talk) 21:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As per above. Setreis ( talk) 17:26, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Multiple-award winner per this, articles about or by artist here, 62 works by artist here. She was the featured subject of a broadcasts on ABC radio per 1, 2, 3, 4. The wp article certainly has issues both COI and poor and/or self-citing but the subject is nevertheless notable according to WP:MUSICBIO. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 11:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)11:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Winning two APRA Art Music Awards makes her notable enough for me.
Boneymau (
talk)
22:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, Actually she has won three: 2011, 2014 and 2020 (latter shared). shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 11:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Agree with the above 2 keep votes. Awards are significant and meet the requirements of music bio guidelines. Lesliechin1 ( talk) 05:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep A review of the sources cited and awards won indicate that this is a notable subject. These are enough to at least pass GNG. Luciapop ( talk) 10:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, satisfies WP:MUSICBIO. Dan arndt ( talk) 02:45, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO have been met thanks to the improvements to the article that were made by Shaidar cuebiyar WP:HEY. Netherzone ( talk) 21:28, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved with extra content supported by significant coverage in multiple reliable sources so that WP:GNG is passed. Also she has won multiple notable awards so that WP:NMUSIC is also passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY, now meets WP:MUSICBIO. Deus et lex ( talk) 22:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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