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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 03:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Carolina Chang
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Doesn't appear to pass WP:NPROF, WP:GNG, etc. Some previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (academics)#Carolina Chang (and h-index). – Novem Linguae ( talk) 00:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Computing, and Venezuela. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 00:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The changes since mid-December when the article was a draft and when I participated in the discussion linked above have done nothing to change my opinion: "WP:PROF#C1 is out of reach currently and there seems to be nothing else; I think that if the draft were made an article it would be surely be deleted." Despite this advice, the author promoted their own draft, so now here we are. A university-local prize (present in the article at the time of that discussion) and an administrative position that is far from head of an entire university are also not enough to pass any PROF criteria. — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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David Eppstein: As a disclaimer, I want to clarify I have no disregarded this input, it's just that I'm not sure in which other ways I can continue improving the article and an inactive draft will be deleted regardless, meaning I preferred an AfD, as I commented in the article's talk page. --
NoonIcarus (
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01:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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NoonIcarus: Incidentally, if you have any connection with Carolina Chang, you might suggest that she clean up her Google Scholar profile. All of the publications listed there more recently than 2015, and at least one earlier one from 2013, appear to be by someone else, Catie Chang of NIH. Two more of the top six papers by citation count, "Canine vagus nerve stores cholecystokinin-58" and "A model of operant conditioning for adaptive obstacle avoidance", appear not to be by Chang, dropping her h-index from 11 to 10. —
David Eppstein (
talk)
01:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ David Eppstein: I don't have any connection with Chang, as that evidently would create a conflict of interest. She gave classes at my university, but I never received classes from her nor have I personally met her. I appreciate the feedback, at any rate. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 01:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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NoonIcarus: Incidentally, if you have any connection with Carolina Chang, you might suggest that she clean up her Google Scholar profile. All of the publications listed there more recently than 2015, and at least one earlier one from 2013, appear to be by someone else, Catie Chang of NIH. Two more of the top six papers by citation count, "Canine vagus nerve stores cholecystokinin-58" and "A model of operant conditioning for adaptive obstacle avoidance", appear not to be by Chang, dropping her h-index from 11 to 10. —
David Eppstein (
talk)
01:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
David Eppstein: As a disclaimer, I want to clarify I have no disregarded this input, it's just that I'm not sure in which other ways I can continue improving the article and an inactive draft will be deleted regardless, meaning I preferred an AfD, as I commented in the article's talk page. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
01:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I'd argue that the closest criteria that Chang meets is WP:NACADEMIC, specifically #2, receiving awards for outstanding academic work twice at the Simón Bolívar University, where she has been a prominent faculty and held administrative positions. Her H-index is 11. Another discussion is Talk:Carolina Chang#H-index, but one of my concerns has been how the index can be affected by the region, with Chang being from South America, and I've read threads at WP:NPROF's talk page expressing similar fears for women. A recommendation I could give is to compare Chang's index with other Venezuelan academics.
- I'm aware of the article's issues, but as the article's creator I also wished to provide some context about its history. The article was first created in the 2018 VenezuElla edithaton, and had previously listed as a suggestion for the March 2018 100 Chicas Wiki edithaton and April 2017 ChicasWiki edithaton. I translated this article into English and uploaded an image as part of the Women in Red's Women in STEM editathon in October. The WikiProject has at least three missing articles lists where she's included, like Scientists and Venezuela. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 01:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: NoonIcarus ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
- Delete. Citation levels are below what I'm looking for even in a low citation field (and this is a higher citation one) for WP:NPROF C1. Local university awards are not the type of award discussed by WP:NPROF C2. No other assertion of notability. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 01:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Simply fails WP:GNG, lacks notability and the citations are relatively unreliable and poor. Noorullah ( talk) 01:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. NoonIcarus ( talk) 01:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Citations not enough yet: WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe ( talk) 01:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC).
- Delete. Subject doesn't meet C1 of WP:NPROF at the present time. Also agree that local university awards are not relevant to C2. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib ( talk) 02:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Agreed that the citations are nowhere close to enough for this field, regardless of her being in Venezuela or being a woman (and would it really be better to have markedly lower standards for inclusion of academics from minority groups?). That some wikiprojects or other editions of wikipedia have her listed as a redlink does not mean her notability has actually been evaluated WRT en.wiki standards. If you want a list of STEM women who likely do meet NPROF C1 you can look at my userpage. JoelleJay ( talk) 05:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Citations aside they fail WP:NPROF. I checked Google Scholar, Google, the newspaper archives, and was unable to uncover anything to meet WP:NPROF. Dr vulpes (Talk) 20:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 03:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Carolina Chang
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Doesn't appear to pass WP:NPROF, WP:GNG, etc. Some previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (academics)#Carolina Chang (and h-index). – Novem Linguae ( talk) 00:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Computing, and Venezuela. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 00:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The changes since mid-December when the article was a draft and when I participated in the discussion linked above have done nothing to change my opinion: "WP:PROF#C1 is out of reach currently and there seems to be nothing else; I think that if the draft were made an article it would be surely be deleted." Despite this advice, the author promoted their own draft, so now here we are. A university-local prize (present in the article at the time of that discussion) and an administrative position that is far from head of an entire university are also not enough to pass any PROF criteria. — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
David Eppstein: As a disclaimer, I want to clarify I have no disregarded this input, it's just that I'm not sure in which other ways I can continue improving the article and an inactive draft will be deleted regardless, meaning I preferred an AfD, as I commented in the article's talk page. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
01:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
NoonIcarus: Incidentally, if you have any connection with Carolina Chang, you might suggest that she clean up her Google Scholar profile. All of the publications listed there more recently than 2015, and at least one earlier one from 2013, appear to be by someone else, Catie Chang of NIH. Two more of the top six papers by citation count, "Canine vagus nerve stores cholecystokinin-58" and "A model of operant conditioning for adaptive obstacle avoidance", appear not to be by Chang, dropping her h-index from 11 to 10. —
David Eppstein (
talk)
01:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ David Eppstein: I don't have any connection with Chang, as that evidently would create a conflict of interest. She gave classes at my university, but I never received classes from her nor have I personally met her. I appreciate the feedback, at any rate. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 01:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
NoonIcarus: Incidentally, if you have any connection with Carolina Chang, you might suggest that she clean up her Google Scholar profile. All of the publications listed there more recently than 2015, and at least one earlier one from 2013, appear to be by someone else, Catie Chang of NIH. Two more of the top six papers by citation count, "Canine vagus nerve stores cholecystokinin-58" and "A model of operant conditioning for adaptive obstacle avoidance", appear not to be by Chang, dropping her h-index from 11 to 10. —
David Eppstein (
talk)
01:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
David Eppstein: As a disclaimer, I want to clarify I have no disregarded this input, it's just that I'm not sure in which other ways I can continue improving the article and an inactive draft will be deleted regardless, meaning I preferred an AfD, as I commented in the article's talk page. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
01:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I'd argue that the closest criteria that Chang meets is WP:NACADEMIC, specifically #2, receiving awards for outstanding academic work twice at the Simón Bolívar University, where she has been a prominent faculty and held administrative positions. Her H-index is 11. Another discussion is Talk:Carolina Chang#H-index, but one of my concerns has been how the index can be affected by the region, with Chang being from South America, and I've read threads at WP:NPROF's talk page expressing similar fears for women. A recommendation I could give is to compare Chang's index with other Venezuelan academics.
- I'm aware of the article's issues, but as the article's creator I also wished to provide some context about its history. The article was first created in the 2018 VenezuElla edithaton, and had previously listed as a suggestion for the March 2018 100 Chicas Wiki edithaton and April 2017 ChicasWiki edithaton. I translated this article into English and uploaded an image as part of the Women in Red's Women in STEM editathon in October. The WikiProject has at least three missing articles lists where she's included, like Scientists and Venezuela. -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 01:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: NoonIcarus ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
- Delete. Citation levels are below what I'm looking for even in a low citation field (and this is a higher citation one) for WP:NPROF C1. Local university awards are not the type of award discussed by WP:NPROF C2. No other assertion of notability. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 01:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Simply fails WP:GNG, lacks notability and the citations are relatively unreliable and poor. Noorullah ( talk) 01:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. NoonIcarus ( talk) 01:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Citations not enough yet: WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe ( talk) 01:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC).
- Delete. Subject doesn't meet C1 of WP:NPROF at the present time. Also agree that local university awards are not relevant to C2. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib ( talk) 02:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Agreed that the citations are nowhere close to enough for this field, regardless of her being in Venezuela or being a woman (and would it really be better to have markedly lower standards for inclusion of academics from minority groups?). That some wikiprojects or other editions of wikipedia have her listed as a redlink does not mean her notability has actually been evaluated WRT en.wiki standards. If you want a list of STEM women who likely do meet NPROF C1 you can look at my userpage. JoelleJay ( talk) 05:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Citations aside they fail WP:NPROF. I checked Google Scholar, Google, the newspaper archives, and was unable to uncover anything to meet WP:NPROF. Dr vulpes (Talk) 20:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.