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The result was delete. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:45, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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Non-notable former college and minor league pro football player. Subject does not satisfy the specific notability guidelines for either college athletes per WP:NCOLLATH (no major awards), or pro football players per WP:NGRIDIRON (never appeared in a regular season NFL or CFL game). Subject did play one or more UFL games, but the former UFL is treated as a minor pro league and does not result in a presumption of notability. Also does not satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG for lack of significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 18:49, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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Keepaccording to this page, he has played in regular season CFL games from 2009 through 2014 and has recorded a total of six tackles through that time period. Not much play time granted, but surpasses standards set at WP:NGRIDIRON and I see no reason to make an exception here.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- @ Paulmcdonald: You linked to the CFL profile for Simeon Rottier, not Carlton Medder. As I said above, Carlton Medder -- the subject of this AfD -- never played a down in a regular season CFL game, and no official CFL.ca player profile exists for him (see CFL.ca search here). Justsportsstats.com has a profile for Medder with UFL stats, but no CFL stats or history (see single-season UFL profile here); CFLapedia.com has no profile for Medder (see here). Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 16:01, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete I stand (actually I sit) corrected.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 17:03, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Pretty sure he never played either. Also, just for future reference you won't find any stats for offensive linemen on cfl.ca. The only stats they would ever record are games played and those aren't listed there. They would have a profile though. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 18:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- WO-9, for recent CFL players, CFL.ca does list the games played for offensive lineman, even if their game stats are obviously incomplete. See the Simeon Rottier profile link above, and click on the year/season hyperlinks on the first page for the lists of games played. CFL.ca is even worse for historical players than NFL.com is, and most historical CFL player profiles are non-existent. For signees in the last 6 or 7 years, however, CFL.ca did create a player profile at the time of their signing. For guys like Medder who signed, but never played, you can use the Wayback Machine to view their profile as they existed at the time. CFL.ca eventually deletes profiles for players who never played in a regular season game. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 19:32, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think cfl.ca actually deletes any profile pages. The pages that get deleted are the players profiles at the team websites. For example Ronald Hilaire was drafted and released before the start of the 2009 season. Offensive lineman Brad Erdos played in some games in 2014 and there are no stats on his page. Medder doesn't have a page because he was never on the active roster during the regular season and did not get drafted. [1] [2] Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 19:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Please see WP:UNOPPOSED -- there is no reason to relist. WP:RELISTINGISEVIL.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 12:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Fails to meet GNG or WP:NGRIDIRON. 204.126.132.231 ( talk) 21:19, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:45, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- Carlton Medder ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Non-notable former college and minor league pro football player. Subject does not satisfy the specific notability guidelines for either college athletes per WP:NCOLLATH (no major awards), or pro football players per WP:NGRIDIRON (never appeared in a regular season NFL or CFL game). Subject did play one or more UFL games, but the former UFL is treated as a minor pro league and does not result in a presumption of notability. Also does not satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG for lack of significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 18:49, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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Keepaccording to this page, he has played in regular season CFL games from 2009 through 2014 and has recorded a total of six tackles through that time period. Not much play time granted, but surpasses standards set at WP:NGRIDIRON and I see no reason to make an exception here.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- @ Paulmcdonald: You linked to the CFL profile for Simeon Rottier, not Carlton Medder. As I said above, Carlton Medder -- the subject of this AfD -- never played a down in a regular season CFL game, and no official CFL.ca player profile exists for him (see CFL.ca search here). Justsportsstats.com has a profile for Medder with UFL stats, but no CFL stats or history (see single-season UFL profile here); CFLapedia.com has no profile for Medder (see here). Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 16:01, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete I stand (actually I sit) corrected.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 17:03, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Pretty sure he never played either. Also, just for future reference you won't find any stats for offensive linemen on cfl.ca. The only stats they would ever record are games played and those aren't listed there. They would have a profile though. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 18:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- WO-9, for recent CFL players, CFL.ca does list the games played for offensive lineman, even if their game stats are obviously incomplete. See the Simeon Rottier profile link above, and click on the year/season hyperlinks on the first page for the lists of games played. CFL.ca is even worse for historical players than NFL.com is, and most historical CFL player profiles are non-existent. For signees in the last 6 or 7 years, however, CFL.ca did create a player profile at the time of their signing. For guys like Medder who signed, but never played, you can use the Wayback Machine to view their profile as they existed at the time. CFL.ca eventually deletes profiles for players who never played in a regular season game. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 19:32, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think cfl.ca actually deletes any profile pages. The pages that get deleted are the players profiles at the team websites. For example Ronald Hilaire was drafted and released before the start of the 2009 season. Offensive lineman Brad Erdos played in some games in 2014 and there are no stats on his page. Medder doesn't have a page because he was never on the active roster during the regular season and did not get drafted. [1] [2] Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 19:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Please see WP:UNOPPOSED -- there is no reason to relist. WP:RELISTINGISEVIL.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 12:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Fails to meet GNG or WP:NGRIDIRON. 204.126.132.231 ( talk) 21:19, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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