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The result was merge to Captain Miller (film). (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Captain Miller (soundtrack)
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I realize that this page recently went through AfD and easily passed, but the point that was missed in the first discussion is that this soundtrack album does not exist and I can find no evidence that there is a planned release. Five singles were released from the film and nothing else. The music section at Captain Miller (film) should certainly suffice. J04n( talk page) 15:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs and India. J04n( talk page) 15:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Captain Miller (film). I think the nominator is correct about what went wrong in the first AfD last week. There are indeed plenty of sources but they are about individual songs that have emerged from the film. None indicate that this collection of songs will be released as a stand-alone soundtrack album. In other words, we can confirm that the songs exist, but the article under discussion here has been set up as an album article so that is what needs to be confirmed in the sources. Until that happens, the songs can be described at the film's article. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tamil Nadu-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Allow me to ping @ Hey man im josh, Wcquidditch, Geschichte, Kailash29792, and Ozzie10aaaa: and Tame Rhino. I may only speak for myself but nobody said the article was about an album; it's a detailed page about the soundtrack and that soundtrack received coverage. I still think a keep is OK, and although I am still not opposed to redirect, see my comment at last Afd about it. Still opposed to deletion anyway, as nominator and Doomsdayer520 also seem to be, if I understand well. In general, I don't think that such speedy renominations are a good idea unless there's a really urgent problem, but maybe that's just me. If we are looking for a relevant guideline, maybe WP:Notability (music)#Unreleased material applies, that states "Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings, and related items) is only notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources." Which seems to be the case. But one can also consider the music was released as part of the film. Music in Indian cinema has, as everyone knows, a quite specific role. I am not shocked by a standalone detailed article here. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: the infoboxes of the article and the main page about the film do indeed indicate "Album"; but that can be easily corrected. A note can even be added indicating that no album was released, only singles.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- keep per Mushy Yank (I believe it is OK as well)-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 19:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For some policy based input
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 17:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment from nominator: merger to
Captain Miller (film) is the ideal outcome. The page is written as if there is a soundtrack album which there is not, just 5 singles that have been released from the film. I do not believe that reworking the page and titling it 'Music from Captain Miller (film)' is appropriate. The majority of the sources are reviews for the film that merely mention the music or announcements of the release of one of the singles.
J04n(
talk page)
17:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Further comment: as to WP:Notability (music)#Unreleased material, there is no significant coverage of the soundtrack as I detailed above. J04n( talk page) 17:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- I already voted and I'm the outlier, but I will agree with J04n again. The "keep" voters above have provided no convincing evidence that this is an album. An album is a stand-alone item that qualifies for a Wikipedia article if notable, but a group of songs with a common association are not an album or any other stand-alone item. Therefore we have a violation of the unreleased material guideline because no album has been described as something that has been or will be released. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 19:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to the film article as above. As a general proposition I'm not in favor of speedy renoms, but it is not disruptive in this case, and I do agree that the previous discussion failed to grapple with the core issue. The article is engaged in a bit of OR by presenting this as an album - it is the collected released songs from the film, and should be presented as such at that article. I see no sourcing that deals with the music collectively apart from the film, so we should not be the first to make that distinction. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 03:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Captain Miller (film). (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Captain Miller (soundtrack)
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I realize that this page recently went through AfD and easily passed, but the point that was missed in the first discussion is that this soundtrack album does not exist and I can find no evidence that there is a planned release. Five singles were released from the film and nothing else. The music section at Captain Miller (film) should certainly suffice. J04n( talk page) 15:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs and India. J04n( talk page) 15:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Captain Miller (film). I think the nominator is correct about what went wrong in the first AfD last week. There are indeed plenty of sources but they are about individual songs that have emerged from the film. None indicate that this collection of songs will be released as a stand-alone soundtrack album. In other words, we can confirm that the songs exist, but the article under discussion here has been set up as an album article so that is what needs to be confirmed in the sources. Until that happens, the songs can be described at the film's article. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tamil Nadu-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Allow me to ping @ Hey man im josh, Wcquidditch, Geschichte, Kailash29792, and Ozzie10aaaa: and Tame Rhino. I may only speak for myself but nobody said the article was about an album; it's a detailed page about the soundtrack and that soundtrack received coverage. I still think a keep is OK, and although I am still not opposed to redirect, see my comment at last Afd about it. Still opposed to deletion anyway, as nominator and Doomsdayer520 also seem to be, if I understand well. In general, I don't think that such speedy renominations are a good idea unless there's a really urgent problem, but maybe that's just me. If we are looking for a relevant guideline, maybe WP:Notability (music)#Unreleased material applies, that states "Unreleased material (including demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only recordings, and related items) is only notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources." Which seems to be the case. But one can also consider the music was released as part of the film. Music in Indian cinema has, as everyone knows, a quite specific role. I am not shocked by a standalone detailed article here. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: the infoboxes of the article and the main page about the film do indeed indicate "Album"; but that can be easily corrected. A note can even be added indicating that no album was released, only singles.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- keep per Mushy Yank (I believe it is OK as well)-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 19:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For some policy based input
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 17:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment from nominator: merger to
Captain Miller (film) is the ideal outcome. The page is written as if there is a soundtrack album which there is not, just 5 singles that have been released from the film. I do not believe that reworking the page and titling it 'Music from Captain Miller (film)' is appropriate. The majority of the sources are reviews for the film that merely mention the music or announcements of the release of one of the singles.
J04n(
talk page)
17:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Further comment: as to WP:Notability (music)#Unreleased material, there is no significant coverage of the soundtrack as I detailed above. J04n( talk page) 17:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- I already voted and I'm the outlier, but I will agree with J04n again. The "keep" voters above have provided no convincing evidence that this is an album. An album is a stand-alone item that qualifies for a Wikipedia article if notable, but a group of songs with a common association are not an album or any other stand-alone item. Therefore we have a violation of the unreleased material guideline because no album has been described as something that has been or will be released. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 19:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 03:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to the film article as above. As a general proposition I'm not in favor of speedy renoms, but it is not disruptive in this case, and I do agree that the previous discussion failed to grapple with the core issue. The article is engaged in a bit of OR by presenting this as an album - it is the collected released songs from the film, and should be presented as such at that article. I see no sourcing that deals with the music collectively apart from the film, so we should not be the first to make that distinction. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 03:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.