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The result was delete. I had some difficulty at discerning the meaning of Musicwikiwriter's post, but it doesn't seem like it has convinced anyone to keep this article. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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Does not meet WP:GNG, WP:BIO, or WP:SINGER. No significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The cited source Digital Radio Tracker does not meet our guidelines for record charts, and is not sufficient evidence of national rotation. C.Nichole might become notable one day, but she doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guideline right now. — Newslinger talk 07:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Analysis of sources:
- Mkito: Not independent. Online music store.
- MusicBrainz: Not reliable. Mostly consists of user-generated content.
- 64hiphop ( archived): Not reliable. Self-published blog with no named authors or staff.
- AllMusic ( RSP entry): Indiscriminate. AllMusic entries with no staff reviews do not count toward notability.
- AllMusic: See #4.
- Digital Radio Tracker: Not reliable. Does not meet the record chart guideline.
- AllMusic: See #4.
- Central Track: Not significant. Passing mention of C.Nichole in one sentence.
- LatestMusic ( archived): Not reliable. Self-published blog with no named authors or staff.
- AllMusic: See #4.
- IMDb ( RSP entry): Not reliable. Mostly user-generated.
- Austin Indie Fest: Not significant and/or independent. The page doesn't mention C.Nichole or her company, Water With a Lemon Productions.
- Pan African Think Tank: Not independent. Organization founded by C.Nichole.
- Inspire School Programs: Not significant and/or independent. The page doesn't mention C.Nichole.
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Newslinger talk 07:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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@ Newslinger: 1. Mkito: Not independent. Online music store. - makes sense, sentence linking to it can be removed 2. MusicBrainz: Not reliable. Mostly consists of user-generated content. - makes sense, sentence linking to it can be removed 3. 64hiphop (archived): Not reliable. Self-published blog with no named authors or staff. - author listed if you click on "64hiphop staff" then look in the URL and you'll see "evanoskillz" 4. AllMusic (RSP entry): Indiscriminate. AllMusic entries with no staff reviews do not count toward notability. - but /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(music) stated "Resources: Good online sources for recordings are the Freedb search engine or the AllMusic search engine" 6. Digital Radio Tracker: Not reliable. Does not meet the record chart guideline. - Wikipedia has yet to account for digital streaming via online radio, if that's the route an artist took/takes, how can that be measured 8. Central Track: Not significant. Passing mention of C.Nichole in one sentence. - article mentioned the artist but user stated "not significant" via opinion. 9. LatestMusic (archived): Not reliable. Self-published blog with no named authors or staff. - author listed if you scroll down it says "meet the author" 11. IMDb (RSP entry): Not reliable. Mostly user-generated. - makes sense, sentence linking to it can be removed 12. Austin Indie Fest: Not significant and/or independent. The page doesn't mention C.Nichole or her company, Water With a Lemon Productions. - the link can after mention of her show "The Intro". If you scroll down to "1:30 PM" you'll see that's the time the show "The Intro" was screened. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(films) "The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release" user stated "not significant" via opinion. 13. Pan African Think Tank: Not independent. Organization founded by C.Nichole. - makes sense, sentence linking to it can be removed 14. Inspire School Programs: Not significant and/or independent. The page doesn't mention C.Nichole. - what makes a non-profit significant?, scroll down to "Radiant Girl Luncheon 2017". I had to do some digging for this one but I cross referenced the photos on the site, to this photo on her social media page " https://www.instagram.com/p/BUze750DJkZ/" and found out that her first name is spelled wrong and I'm not sure if that last name is right either because it mentions it no where else that I've found.
I'll try to check you reply when I can but I'm sure my response won't be as in depth as this one. Thank you for what you do! Musicwikiwriter ( talk) 08:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- This discussion focuses on whether C.Nichole is eligible to have a Wikipedia article ( notability). Just to be clear, "not significant" refers to significant coverage – eligible sources are generally expected to have at least a couple of paragraphs that directly describe the article subject. Some of the listed sources (such as AllMusic) are allowed to be cited in the article, but they don't establish the artist's notability unless they help the artist meet the criteria in the notability criteria for musicians. Database listings of artists and releases need to be accompanied with critical reviews to count toward notability; otherwise, AllMusic's 3 million albums and 30 million tracks would all be eligible for inclusion on Wikipedia, and that would be too indiscriminate to fall under Wikipedia's scope. Thanks again for contributing this biography to Wikipedia, but I think it might be a better fit for another site like the ones listed in the directory of alternative outlets. — Newslinger talk 08:55, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: fails WP:SINGER Ceethekreator ( talk) 11:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with the nominator's analysis of the sources. The lack of significant third-party coverage suggests that WP:MUSICBIO is not met. -- Kinu t/ c 06:37, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. I had some difficulty at discerning the meaning of Musicwikiwriter's post, but it doesn't seem like it has convinced anyone to keep this article. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 10:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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- C.Nichole ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Does not meet WP:GNG, WP:BIO, or WP:SINGER. No significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The cited source Digital Radio Tracker does not meet our guidelines for record charts, and is not sufficient evidence of national rotation. C.Nichole might become notable one day, but she doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guideline right now. — Newslinger talk 07:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Analysis of sources:
- Mkito: Not independent. Online music store.
- MusicBrainz: Not reliable. Mostly consists of user-generated content.
- 64hiphop ( archived): Not reliable. Self-published blog with no named authors or staff.
- AllMusic ( RSP entry): Indiscriminate. AllMusic entries with no staff reviews do not count toward notability.
- AllMusic: See #4.
- Digital Radio Tracker: Not reliable. Does not meet the record chart guideline.
- AllMusic: See #4.
- Central Track: Not significant. Passing mention of C.Nichole in one sentence.
- LatestMusic ( archived): Not reliable. Self-published blog with no named authors or staff.
- AllMusic: See #4.
- IMDb ( RSP entry): Not reliable. Mostly user-generated.
- Austin Indie Fest: Not significant and/or independent. The page doesn't mention C.Nichole or her company, Water With a Lemon Productions.
- Pan African Think Tank: Not independent. Organization founded by C.Nichole.
- Inspire School Programs: Not significant and/or independent. The page doesn't mention C.Nichole.
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Newslinger talk 07:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. — Newslinger talk 07:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. — Newslinger talk 07:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. — Newslinger talk 07:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Newslinger: 1. Mkito: Not independent. Online music store. - makes sense, sentence linking to it can be removed 2. MusicBrainz: Not reliable. Mostly consists of user-generated content. - makes sense, sentence linking to it can be removed 3. 64hiphop (archived): Not reliable. Self-published blog with no named authors or staff. - author listed if you click on "64hiphop staff" then look in the URL and you'll see "evanoskillz" 4. AllMusic (RSP entry): Indiscriminate. AllMusic entries with no staff reviews do not count toward notability. - but /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(music) stated "Resources: Good online sources for recordings are the Freedb search engine or the AllMusic search engine" 6. Digital Radio Tracker: Not reliable. Does not meet the record chart guideline. - Wikipedia has yet to account for digital streaming via online radio, if that's the route an artist took/takes, how can that be measured 8. Central Track: Not significant. Passing mention of C.Nichole in one sentence. - article mentioned the artist but user stated "not significant" via opinion. 9. LatestMusic (archived): Not reliable. Self-published blog with no named authors or staff. - author listed if you scroll down it says "meet the author" 11. IMDb (RSP entry): Not reliable. Mostly user-generated. - makes sense, sentence linking to it can be removed 12. Austin Indie Fest: Not significant and/or independent. The page doesn't mention C.Nichole or her company, Water With a Lemon Productions. - the link can after mention of her show "The Intro". If you scroll down to "1:30 PM" you'll see that's the time the show "The Intro" was screened. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(films) "The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release" user stated "not significant" via opinion. 13. Pan African Think Tank: Not independent. Organization founded by C.Nichole. - makes sense, sentence linking to it can be removed 14. Inspire School Programs: Not significant and/or independent. The page doesn't mention C.Nichole. - what makes a non-profit significant?, scroll down to "Radiant Girl Luncheon 2017". I had to do some digging for this one but I cross referenced the photos on the site, to this photo on her social media page " https://www.instagram.com/p/BUze750DJkZ/" and found out that her first name is spelled wrong and I'm not sure if that last name is right either because it mentions it no where else that I've found.
I'll try to check you reply when I can but I'm sure my response won't be as in depth as this one. Thank you for what you do! Musicwikiwriter ( talk) 08:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- This discussion focuses on whether C.Nichole is eligible to have a Wikipedia article ( notability). Just to be clear, "not significant" refers to significant coverage – eligible sources are generally expected to have at least a couple of paragraphs that directly describe the article subject. Some of the listed sources (such as AllMusic) are allowed to be cited in the article, but they don't establish the artist's notability unless they help the artist meet the criteria in the notability criteria for musicians. Database listings of artists and releases need to be accompanied with critical reviews to count toward notability; otherwise, AllMusic's 3 million albums and 30 million tracks would all be eligible for inclusion on Wikipedia, and that would be too indiscriminate to fall under Wikipedia's scope. Thanks again for contributing this biography to Wikipedia, but I think it might be a better fit for another site like the ones listed in the directory of alternative outlets. — Newslinger talk 08:55, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: fails WP:SINGER Ceethekreator ( talk) 11:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with the nominator's analysis of the sources. The lack of significant third-party coverage suggests that WP:MUSICBIO is not met. -- Kinu t/ c 06:37, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.