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The result was delete per consensus, lack of notability. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 22:05, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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No evidence of any notability. All sources are own web-site or affiliated or marketing sites. Nothing indicates notability. WP:BEFORE reveals nothing better - more of the same plus social media. Fails WP:GNG Velella Velella Talk 15:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Velella Velella Talk 15:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Velella Velella Talk 15:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Velella Velella Talk 15:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 03:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm also concerned that the article author is closely affiliated with the subject. The headshot photo was uploaded by the article author – 113andathird ( talk · contribs) – as "own work", which appears to be true; reverse image search reveals nothing. The author has been tagged multiple times to no avail, including on the article talk page. -- Pingumeister( talk) 14:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I'm afraid Testify (Christian band) should be deleted as well but I'll wait for this AfD to close before nominating his band. Pichpich ( talk) 16:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. JSFarman ( talk) 16:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Notability Guidelines. Brent Swanner has two major label recordings and is made notable by Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines for music and musicians 113andathird ( talk) 22:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- I only see CD Baby on his discography; what label are you referring to?
JSFarman (
talk)
23:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- I looked up CD Baby on Wikipedia. CD Baby calls themselves the anti-label but they are actually a huge label that " offers digital music distribution, worldwide publishing rights administration, monetization of music use on social video platforms, sync licensing, music marketing, online advertising, cover song licensing, and physical distribution and order fulfillment for CDs and vinyl records. By opting into their online distribution service, artists can authorize CD Baby to act on their behalf to submit music for sale to online retailers such as Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora Radio, and 150+ other streaming services". That's what a label does. CD Baby represents a lot of notable artist.
113andathird (
talk)
02:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- They actually do more than most major labels! But CD Baby isn't a label; they are a service provider.
- I just checked out your user page and discovered that you are new to Wikipedia. The notability criteria can be confusing. I'd be happy to help you learn your way around if you're interested. Just leave a message on my talk page.
JSFarman (
talk)
03:39, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Notable artists that work with CD Baby are such a rare occurrence that there's actually a short list of them in the article
CD Baby! In any case, the
WP:GNG problem isn't resolved by his collaboration with CD Baby.
Pichpich (
talk)
04:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I stand corrected. Should I delete CD Baby from the Discography? But I'm not giving up on this and I am trying to get this right. Thank you all for your suggestions. 113andathird ( talk) 11:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Notable artists that work with CD Baby are such a rare occurrence that there's actually a short list of them in the article
CD Baby! In any case, the
WP:GNG problem isn't resolved by his collaboration with CD Baby.
Pichpich (
talk)
04:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I looked up CD Baby on Wikipedia. CD Baby calls themselves the anti-label but they are actually a huge label that " offers digital music distribution, worldwide publishing rights administration, monetization of music use on social video platforms, sync licensing, music marketing, online advertising, cover song licensing, and physical distribution and order fulfillment for CDs and vinyl records. By opting into their online distribution service, artists can authorize CD Baby to act on their behalf to submit music for sale to online retailers such as Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora Radio, and 150+ other streaming services". That's what a label does. CD Baby represents a lot of notable artist.
113andathird (
talk)
02:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete since this person lacks significant coverage. Pikavoom Talk 07:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'd like to draftify the article. There may be offline sources that 113andathird can use; they just need some help to find them. Any objections? JSFarman ( talk) 17:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I spent some time before nominating this looking for better sources but I could find none. While it may be possible that an editor within the local geographic area may be able to find print material not available on line, that does seem a little unlikely. My own view is that Draftifying will just delay the inevitable by about 6 months
Velella
Velella Talk
17:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I did too but I only searched via Google, where I found nothing. There are offline references via ProQuest that are unlikely to save this article but will impact the article on the band - ("Meeting people where they're hurting is ministry of Testify" Griffin, Pam.McClatchy - Tribune Business News; Washington [Washington]. 05 Aug ; 2006: 1. "Southern gospel sound uplifts its audience" Haag, Diane.The Times; Shreveport, La. [Shreveport, La]. 19 June 2006: D.1.") I haven't had a chance to check NewsBank or NewspaperARCHIVE yet but I suspect more coverage will exist. I don't consider deletion inevitable (although likely) and I think we should give a new editor the benefit of the doubt.
JSFarman (
talk)
18:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I found two more articles that cover Testify in-depth, but Swanner is only mentioned. I no longer think draftifying is a solid option, but I hope that 113andathird will add to the Testify article if it's kept and continue to contribute to Wikipedia. JSFarman ( talk) 21:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- I did too but I only searched via Google, where I found nothing. There are offline references via ProQuest that are unlikely to save this article but will impact the article on the band - ("Meeting people where they're hurting is ministry of Testify" Griffin, Pam.McClatchy - Tribune Business News; Washington [Washington]. 05 Aug ; 2006: 1. "Southern gospel sound uplifts its audience" Haag, Diane.The Times; Shreveport, La. [Shreveport, La]. 19 June 2006: D.1.") I haven't had a chance to check NewsBank or NewspaperARCHIVE yet but I suspect more coverage will exist. I don't consider deletion inevitable (although likely) and I think we should give a new editor the benefit of the doubt.
JSFarman (
talk)
18:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I spent some time before nominating this looking for better sources but I could find none. While it may be possible that an editor within the local geographic area may be able to find print material not available on line, that does seem a little unlikely. My own view is that Draftifying will just delay the inevitable by about 6 months
Velella
Velella Talk
17:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Now that I understand things better around here, I agree that Brent Swanner is not a stand alone article. But really believe Testify (Christian band) is. May I suggest a re-direct and/or a merger of Brent Swanner to Testify? 113andathird ( talk) 21:53, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete per consensus, lack of notability. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 22:05, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Brent Swanner ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
No evidence of any notability. All sources are own web-site or affiliated or marketing sites. Nothing indicates notability. WP:BEFORE reveals nothing better - more of the same plus social media. Fails WP:GNG Velella Velella Talk 15:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Velella Velella Talk 15:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Velella Velella Talk 15:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Velella Velella Talk 15:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 03:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm also concerned that the article author is closely affiliated with the subject. The headshot photo was uploaded by the article author – 113andathird ( talk · contribs) – as "own work", which appears to be true; reverse image search reveals nothing. The author has been tagged multiple times to no avail, including on the article talk page. -- Pingumeister( talk) 14:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I'm afraid Testify (Christian band) should be deleted as well but I'll wait for this AfD to close before nominating his band. Pichpich ( talk) 16:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. JSFarman ( talk) 16:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Notability Guidelines. Brent Swanner has two major label recordings and is made notable by Wikipedia's Notability Guidelines for music and musicians 113andathird ( talk) 22:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- I only see CD Baby on his discography; what label are you referring to?
JSFarman (
talk)
23:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- I looked up CD Baby on Wikipedia. CD Baby calls themselves the anti-label but they are actually a huge label that " offers digital music distribution, worldwide publishing rights administration, monetization of music use on social video platforms, sync licensing, music marketing, online advertising, cover song licensing, and physical distribution and order fulfillment for CDs and vinyl records. By opting into their online distribution service, artists can authorize CD Baby to act on their behalf to submit music for sale to online retailers such as Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora Radio, and 150+ other streaming services". That's what a label does. CD Baby represents a lot of notable artist.
113andathird (
talk)
02:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- They actually do more than most major labels! But CD Baby isn't a label; they are a service provider.
- I just checked out your user page and discovered that you are new to Wikipedia. The notability criteria can be confusing. I'd be happy to help you learn your way around if you're interested. Just leave a message on my talk page.
JSFarman (
talk)
03:39, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Notable artists that work with CD Baby are such a rare occurrence that there's actually a short list of them in the article
CD Baby! In any case, the
WP:GNG problem isn't resolved by his collaboration with CD Baby.
Pichpich (
talk)
04:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I stand corrected. Should I delete CD Baby from the Discography? But I'm not giving up on this and I am trying to get this right. Thank you all for your suggestions. 113andathird ( talk) 11:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Notable artists that work with CD Baby are such a rare occurrence that there's actually a short list of them in the article
CD Baby! In any case, the
WP:GNG problem isn't resolved by his collaboration with CD Baby.
Pichpich (
talk)
04:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I looked up CD Baby on Wikipedia. CD Baby calls themselves the anti-label but they are actually a huge label that " offers digital music distribution, worldwide publishing rights administration, monetization of music use on social video platforms, sync licensing, music marketing, online advertising, cover song licensing, and physical distribution and order fulfillment for CDs and vinyl records. By opting into their online distribution service, artists can authorize CD Baby to act on their behalf to submit music for sale to online retailers such as Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora Radio, and 150+ other streaming services". That's what a label does. CD Baby represents a lot of notable artist.
113andathird (
talk)
02:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete since this person lacks significant coverage. Pikavoom Talk 07:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'd like to draftify the article. There may be offline sources that 113andathird can use; they just need some help to find them. Any objections? JSFarman ( talk) 17:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I spent some time before nominating this looking for better sources but I could find none. While it may be possible that an editor within the local geographic area may be able to find print material not available on line, that does seem a little unlikely. My own view is that Draftifying will just delay the inevitable by about 6 months
Velella
Velella Talk
17:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I did too but I only searched via Google, where I found nothing. There are offline references via ProQuest that are unlikely to save this article but will impact the article on the band - ("Meeting people where they're hurting is ministry of Testify" Griffin, Pam.McClatchy - Tribune Business News; Washington [Washington]. 05 Aug ; 2006: 1. "Southern gospel sound uplifts its audience" Haag, Diane.The Times; Shreveport, La. [Shreveport, La]. 19 June 2006: D.1.") I haven't had a chance to check NewsBank or NewspaperARCHIVE yet but I suspect more coverage will exist. I don't consider deletion inevitable (although likely) and I think we should give a new editor the benefit of the doubt.
JSFarman (
talk)
18:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I found two more articles that cover Testify in-depth, but Swanner is only mentioned. I no longer think draftifying is a solid option, but I hope that 113andathird will add to the Testify article if it's kept and continue to contribute to Wikipedia. JSFarman ( talk) 21:27, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- I did too but I only searched via Google, where I found nothing. There are offline references via ProQuest that are unlikely to save this article but will impact the article on the band - ("Meeting people where they're hurting is ministry of Testify" Griffin, Pam.McClatchy - Tribune Business News; Washington [Washington]. 05 Aug ; 2006: 1. "Southern gospel sound uplifts its audience" Haag, Diane.The Times; Shreveport, La. [Shreveport, La]. 19 June 2006: D.1.") I haven't had a chance to check NewsBank or NewspaperARCHIVE yet but I suspect more coverage will exist. I don't consider deletion inevitable (although likely) and I think we should give a new editor the benefit of the doubt.
JSFarman (
talk)
18:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I spent some time before nominating this looking for better sources but I could find none. While it may be possible that an editor within the local geographic area may be able to find print material not available on line, that does seem a little unlikely. My own view is that Draftifying will just delay the inevitable by about 6 months
Velella
Velella Talk
17:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Now that I understand things better around here, I agree that Brent Swanner is not a stand alone article. But really believe Testify (Christian band) is. May I suggest a re-direct and/or a merger of Brent Swanner to Testify? 113andathird ( talk) 21:53, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.