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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 17:22, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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Subject has collaborated with several different notable musicians, but there's no coverage of the subject beyond mere-mention. Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO, WP:GNG. Some of the songs that the subject has worked on have charted, but given that the subject is not the primary artist (and is not even mentioned on the chart), I don't believe this counts for much. Previously nominated to PROD, dePROD by initial editor who provided additional sources that were just more mere-mentions. signed, Rosguill talk 20:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Doesn't inclusion of his song, "Youth", into the
Billboard Hot 100, satisfy WP:MUSICBIO#2? --
1l2l3k (
talk)
20:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- MUSICBIO mentions that it's a guideline for musicians or ensembles–that doesn't appear to include songwriters or producers. Going by Billboard, the song is Troye Sivan's, not Inscore's. signed, Rosguill talk 22:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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- Very weak keep To be honest, I’m conflicted. I want to say Keep because at the very least he’s won a major award and has a Billboard appearance. But I’m staunch about deleting articles that rely on mere mentions no matter how reliable the source is. I lean keep though.
Trillfendi (
talk)
21:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Did the subject win the award though? Assuming we're talking about the ARIA award mentioned in the article,
ARIA appears to have only given the award to the main artist, Troye Sivan. The sources as given in the article actually don't even establish that the subject worked on the song that won the award, merely that they contributed to the album (alongside several other artists that are named). While there's likely liner notes establishing that Inscore did specifically work on that song somewhere, I think it's possibly a stretch to claim that the subject has won that award. Ultimately this is splitting hairs a bit, but I think it underscores why it's so important for article subjects to actually have in-depth coverage available, because otherwise we're basically just doing original research to figure out whether they deserve credit for the award or not. signed,
Rosguill
talk
22:16, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Wording of the article made it seem as if he did, upon further review. But I don’t know if ARIA works like the Grammys where everybody who worked on the song gets the award. So yeah the article is really hanging by a thread. He’s done notable work but is he notable? That is the question. Trillfendi ( talk) 06:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Did the subject win the award though? Assuming we're talking about the ARIA award mentioned in the article,
ARIA appears to have only given the award to the main artist, Troye Sivan. The sources as given in the article actually don't even establish that the subject worked on the song that won the award, merely that they contributed to the album (alongside several other artists that are named). While there's likely liner notes establishing that Inscore did specifically work on that song somewhere, I think it's possibly a stretch to claim that the subject has won that award. Ultimately this is splitting hairs a bit, but I think it underscores why it's so important for article subjects to actually have in-depth coverage available, because otherwise we're basically just doing original research to figure out whether they deserve credit for the award or not. signed,
Rosguill
talk
22:16, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Delete Lots of hair splitting with the arguments in prior listings regarding being part of a team for an award winning song. Bottom line, though, the sources are all about about someone else. This subject is attempting to claim notability by association. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 13:46, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 17:22, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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Subject has collaborated with several different notable musicians, but there's no coverage of the subject beyond mere-mention. Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO, WP:GNG. Some of the songs that the subject has worked on have charted, but given that the subject is not the primary artist (and is not even mentioned on the chart), I don't believe this counts for much. Previously nominated to PROD, dePROD by initial editor who provided additional sources that were just more mere-mentions. signed, Rosguill talk 20:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Doesn't inclusion of his song, "Youth", into the
Billboard Hot 100, satisfy WP:MUSICBIO#2? --
1l2l3k (
talk)
20:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- MUSICBIO mentions that it's a guideline for musicians or ensembles–that doesn't appear to include songwriters or producers. Going by Billboard, the song is Troye Sivan's, not Inscore's. signed, Rosguill talk 22:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir ( talk) 20:36, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir ( talk) 20:36, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Very weak keep To be honest, I’m conflicted. I want to say Keep because at the very least he’s won a major award and has a Billboard appearance. But I’m staunch about deleting articles that rely on mere mentions no matter how reliable the source is. I lean keep though.
Trillfendi (
talk)
21:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Did the subject win the award though? Assuming we're talking about the ARIA award mentioned in the article,
ARIA appears to have only given the award to the main artist, Troye Sivan. The sources as given in the article actually don't even establish that the subject worked on the song that won the award, merely that they contributed to the album (alongside several other artists that are named). While there's likely liner notes establishing that Inscore did specifically work on that song somewhere, I think it's possibly a stretch to claim that the subject has won that award. Ultimately this is splitting hairs a bit, but I think it underscores why it's so important for article subjects to actually have in-depth coverage available, because otherwise we're basically just doing original research to figure out whether they deserve credit for the award or not. signed,
Rosguill
talk
22:16, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Wording of the article made it seem as if he did, upon further review. But I don’t know if ARIA works like the Grammys where everybody who worked on the song gets the award. So yeah the article is really hanging by a thread. He’s done notable work but is he notable? That is the question. Trillfendi ( talk) 06:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Did the subject win the award though? Assuming we're talking about the ARIA award mentioned in the article,
ARIA appears to have only given the award to the main artist, Troye Sivan. The sources as given in the article actually don't even establish that the subject worked on the song that won the award, merely that they contributed to the album (alongside several other artists that are named). While there's likely liner notes establishing that Inscore did specifically work on that song somewhere, I think it's possibly a stretch to claim that the subject has won that award. Ultimately this is splitting hairs a bit, but I think it underscores why it's so important for article subjects to actually have in-depth coverage available, because otherwise we're basically just doing original research to figure out whether they deserve credit for the award or not. signed,
Rosguill
talk
22:16, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Delete Lots of hair splitting with the arguments in prior listings regarding being part of a team for an award winning song. Bottom line, though, the sources are all about about someone else. This subject is attempting to claim notability by association. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 13:46, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.