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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Bonkuy

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The word bonkuy ( Persian: بانک) means bank in Farsi, so it is highly likely that these Carlossuarez46-created geostubs are actually banks and not villages. The dab page itself is also entirely WP:PTM, suggesting that Carlos was also very loppy in creating the Iran placename dabs.

– LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 00:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply

I also discovered the article Binak, whose full name Bīnak Kūh-e Bānk is probably of a bank as well. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:05, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply

I have also PRODded the aforementioned article and Beynak-e Olya. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:14, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply
The article appears to say, again based on machine translation, "Khorameh city", so again, it is not clear why you are saying that it can only be talking about the county. FOARP ( talk) 11:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete All - In reality, the reason why people are grouping these failing articles by name is that at least where the name appears to indicate that the place is something other than a village, then the keep !votes of people who think that any village of any kind should be kept, regardless of how bad the sourcing is, can be avoided. The truth is that even for places that appear to be villages in Iran, we just don't have reliable sourcing in our articles showing this because all of them were created based on the Iranian census which does not distinguish between "real" villages and places that are just banks, wells, pumps, etc. In this case there is a good reason based simply on the names to believe that these are not villages, still less WP:GEOLAND#1 passing villages since there is no evidence of legal recognition, still less any place that would ever be notable enough for a WP:GNG-passing article. Reviewing the articles I did not see any that had any location data that would enable people to better identify what they are even talking about. We can argue what exactly names like "بنكوي عشايردهنه قلعه ها" actually mean, but the only source I have to hand is Google translate which tells me it's talking about a bank, and Google Translate is at least a better source than Carlossuarez46 who apparently did not speak Persian - until a Farsi speaker says otherwise I am OK to assume these are banks. FOARP ( talk) 09:56, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    When I input بنكوي عشايردهنه into Google Translate, what I get is "Bankoi of the Dahneh nomads". بنكوي on its own is translated as "banking", but that appears to be instance of liberal autocorrection (hints: click on the translation: you see a list of Farsi words translated back, but none of them are the same as the one you've input; also, no other dictionary seems to have this word). Also, if all of these places are really banks, then why does the census record hundreds of families living in each? It should be obvious by now that this nomination rests on a simple misinterpretation of a placename element. Uanfala ( talk) 10:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Uanfala From experience with Chinese (which I do at least read/write to a reasonable though far from native degree of fluency from living in CN and TW) Google Translate doesn’t list all the possible translations for a word that it has in its system. But even if this is an incorrect translation, this clearly isn’t a WP:Geoland#1 pass since there is no evidence of legal recognition (abadis are statistical units of the census, not communities as such) and with that everything falls.
As for why the Iranian census records a population for it, do we really have to repeat for the millionth time that what that means is that the people were recorded as living near a reference point, and not necessarily in it? Sorry if I sound frustrated here but this has been litigated again and again at AFD and I thought perhaps you might have seen one of the many other AFDs and other discussions on this topic. This is the reason why there are so many pumps, wells, bridges, farms, shops, factories etc etc etc listed as abadi. This is why it is very possible that there is no village at this location with this name - either it may be part of a larger community (eg a neighbourhood), or it may be an aggregate of more than one community, or it may be a disparate collection of unrelated houses, or it may be a single village having a different name. Without anything to actually substantiate that there is a legally-recognised community with these names then the whole lot simply falls. FOARP ( talk) 13:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
There's nothing in this discussion to suggest that these abadis are of the same type as the ones that got deleted previously. If anyone has looked for sources and found none, then that would be an argument for deletion. However, that's not what's happening here. The only deletion rationale so far appears to be the observation that the names of these places have a component that Google autocorrects to the word for bank, and that's not a valid rationale. Uanfala ( talk) 13:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Once it became demonstrated that there is no difference between reference-point abadis and other abadis in the census, the WP:Burden shifted to people who wanted to keep these articles to demonstrate that they should be kept. I’ve spot-checked a few of these and found nothing. Finding a bare mention in a news story is not sufficient to meet WP:Geoland#1 either. FOARP ( talk) 20:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
If there's a proposal for the deletion of all abadi articles, that would be worth discussion. But this here is not it. This is an attempt to delete four dozen articles about apparent rural settlements on the surreal misunderstanding that they're somehow articles related to banks. Uanfala ( talk) 21:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Uanfala Honestly I think that we’ll get to the deletion of all of Carlossuarez46’s Abadi articles that haven’t been improved by anyone else eventually. This is because even deleting them in blocks of dozens like this takes way too much community time. We’ll also get on to Mr Blofeld’s mass-created “village” stuff based on GEOnet Names Server that hasn’t been improved by anyone else as well.
For the time being, though, and until it is clear that the community is going to accept a block-deletion like that, picking the low-hanging fruit like this makes sense. But “why are you deleting this and not that” is ultimately just a WP:WAX argument. FOARP ( talk) 05:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete none of these cite a reliable source which can be used to verify the subject's existence, and the burden of proof for these is on those who want to retain the content. A listing in the Iranian census is not evidence that the subject exists because the Iranian census frequently lists entries which are not populated places. Some of them cite the GEOnet Names Server, but this is not a reliable source either. Even if a source does exist WP:GEOLAND only grants near-automatic notability to legally recognised populated places, and I don't think an entry in the Iranian census counts for this. Populated places which aren't legally recognised have to meet the WP:GNG, and these clearly don't. Hut 8.5 18:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all - There is no evidence that these are notable populated places. The census is not a reliable source for this as it lists census tracts which were designated for the purpose of counting people, not officially recognized places. – dlthewave ☎ 03:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bonkuy&oldid=1104147857"
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC) reply

Bonkuy

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Bonkuy (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

The word bonkuy ( Persian: بانک) means bank in Farsi, so it is highly likely that these Carlossuarez46-created geostubs are actually banks and not villages. The dab page itself is also entirely WP:PTM, suggesting that Carlos was also very loppy in creating the Iran placename dabs.

– LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 00:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply

I also discovered the article Binak, whose full name Bīnak Kūh-e Bānk is probably of a bank as well. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:05, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply

I have also PRODded the aforementioned article and Beynak-e Olya. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:14, 6 August 2022 (UTC) reply
The article appears to say, again based on machine translation, "Khorameh city", so again, it is not clear why you are saying that it can only be talking about the county. FOARP ( talk) 11:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete All - In reality, the reason why people are grouping these failing articles by name is that at least where the name appears to indicate that the place is something other than a village, then the keep !votes of people who think that any village of any kind should be kept, regardless of how bad the sourcing is, can be avoided. The truth is that even for places that appear to be villages in Iran, we just don't have reliable sourcing in our articles showing this because all of them were created based on the Iranian census which does not distinguish between "real" villages and places that are just banks, wells, pumps, etc. In this case there is a good reason based simply on the names to believe that these are not villages, still less WP:GEOLAND#1 passing villages since there is no evidence of legal recognition, still less any place that would ever be notable enough for a WP:GNG-passing article. Reviewing the articles I did not see any that had any location data that would enable people to better identify what they are even talking about. We can argue what exactly names like "بنكوي عشايردهنه قلعه ها" actually mean, but the only source I have to hand is Google translate which tells me it's talking about a bank, and Google Translate is at least a better source than Carlossuarez46 who apparently did not speak Persian - until a Farsi speaker says otherwise I am OK to assume these are banks. FOARP ( talk) 09:56, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
    When I input بنكوي عشايردهنه into Google Translate, what I get is "Bankoi of the Dahneh nomads". بنكوي on its own is translated as "banking", but that appears to be instance of liberal autocorrection (hints: click on the translation: you see a list of Farsi words translated back, but none of them are the same as the one you've input; also, no other dictionary seems to have this word). Also, if all of these places are really banks, then why does the census record hundreds of families living in each? It should be obvious by now that this nomination rests on a simple misinterpretation of a placename element. Uanfala ( talk) 10:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Uanfala From experience with Chinese (which I do at least read/write to a reasonable though far from native degree of fluency from living in CN and TW) Google Translate doesn’t list all the possible translations for a word that it has in its system. But even if this is an incorrect translation, this clearly isn’t a WP:Geoland#1 pass since there is no evidence of legal recognition (abadis are statistical units of the census, not communities as such) and with that everything falls.
As for why the Iranian census records a population for it, do we really have to repeat for the millionth time that what that means is that the people were recorded as living near a reference point, and not necessarily in it? Sorry if I sound frustrated here but this has been litigated again and again at AFD and I thought perhaps you might have seen one of the many other AFDs and other discussions on this topic. This is the reason why there are so many pumps, wells, bridges, farms, shops, factories etc etc etc listed as abadi. This is why it is very possible that there is no village at this location with this name - either it may be part of a larger community (eg a neighbourhood), or it may be an aggregate of more than one community, or it may be a disparate collection of unrelated houses, or it may be a single village having a different name. Without anything to actually substantiate that there is a legally-recognised community with these names then the whole lot simply falls. FOARP ( talk) 13:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
There's nothing in this discussion to suggest that these abadis are of the same type as the ones that got deleted previously. If anyone has looked for sources and found none, then that would be an argument for deletion. However, that's not what's happening here. The only deletion rationale so far appears to be the observation that the names of these places have a component that Google autocorrects to the word for bank, and that's not a valid rationale. Uanfala ( talk) 13:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Once it became demonstrated that there is no difference between reference-point abadis and other abadis in the census, the WP:Burden shifted to people who wanted to keep these articles to demonstrate that they should be kept. I’ve spot-checked a few of these and found nothing. Finding a bare mention in a news story is not sufficient to meet WP:Geoland#1 either. FOARP ( talk) 20:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
If there's a proposal for the deletion of all abadi articles, that would be worth discussion. But this here is not it. This is an attempt to delete four dozen articles about apparent rural settlements on the surreal misunderstanding that they're somehow articles related to banks. Uanfala ( talk) 21:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC) reply
Uanfala Honestly I think that we’ll get to the deletion of all of Carlossuarez46’s Abadi articles that haven’t been improved by anyone else eventually. This is because even deleting them in blocks of dozens like this takes way too much community time. We’ll also get on to Mr Blofeld’s mass-created “village” stuff based on GEOnet Names Server that hasn’t been improved by anyone else as well.
For the time being, though, and until it is clear that the community is going to accept a block-deletion like that, picking the low-hanging fruit like this makes sense. But “why are you deleting this and not that” is ultimately just a WP:WAX argument. FOARP ( talk) 05:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete none of these cite a reliable source which can be used to verify the subject's existence, and the burden of proof for these is on those who want to retain the content. A listing in the Iranian census is not evidence that the subject exists because the Iranian census frequently lists entries which are not populated places. Some of them cite the GEOnet Names Server, but this is not a reliable source either. Even if a source does exist WP:GEOLAND only grants near-automatic notability to legally recognised populated places, and I don't think an entry in the Iranian census counts for this. Populated places which aren't legally recognised have to meet the WP:GNG, and these clearly don't. Hut 8.5 18:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all - There is no evidence that these are notable populated places. The census is not a reliable source for this as it lists census tracts which were designated for the purpose of counting people, not officially recognized places. – dlthewave ☎ 03:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bonkuy&oldid=1104147857"

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